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#1 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 11:01 PM

Here's the link: http://www.smokerscl...?...le&sid=2490

Finally a airplane that caters to smokers...If I have to take a flight I'll definately see about trying to book a seat on this airline.

I can hear the screams of the non-smokers now. LOL.
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 11:24 PM

Don't see why nonsmokers will scream. No one is forcing nonsmokers to fly that airline.

Interesting if it actually goes thru.

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 11:32 PM

View PostLORD of the SWORD, on Jul 12 2006, 09:01 PM, said:

Here's the link: http://www.smokerscl...?...le&sid=2490

Finally a airplane that caters to smokers...If I have to take a flight I'll definately see about trying to book a seat on this airline.

I can hear the screams of the non-smokers now. LOL.

They say it will cost more because they'll have to change air filters more often - but maybe not, because smokers are proven not to care what impurities they inhale anyway.

I don't think you'd find any nonsmoker who would scream at smokers' only flights - unless you dragged us on one, for some bizarre reason.  :lol:

Edited by Rhea, 12 July 2006 - 11:37 PM.

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Posted 12 July 2006 - 11:43 PM

No I expect the screaming as smoke nazi's will do all they can to make smokers uncomfortable.

I keep wondering when the banning of Red Meat begins. Soon I am sure as Super Nanny will have a new cause to take freedoms away from us.
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 11:50 PM

View PostG1223, on Jul 12 2006, 09:43 PM, said:

No I expect the screaming as smoke nazi's will do all they can to make smokers uncomfortable.

I keep wondering when the banning of Red Meat begins. Soon I am sure as Super Nanny will have a new cause to take freedoms away from us.

Red Herring. The price of meat has no more to do with a smokers' airline that does your first paragraph about smoke Nazis. No smokers will give a rat's ass if a bunch of smokers get om THEIR airline and puff away. At least use your common sense before you write stuff like this.

Edited by Rhea, 12 July 2006 - 11:51 PM.

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 12:05 AM

Rhea I have seen the smoke nazi's go so far as to protest a bar deciding to have a sealed off smoking section. They do not like the fact that a place where a smoker has been can make them sick years afterward. When the truth is there are other factors.

You might not like the fact that non smokers are seen by people as bullies but it does not change the fact they are.
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 12:52 AM

These people have obviously never considered there might be a reason why smoking was banned on flights other than whole issue of breathing toxic?  Try fighting a fire at 30,000 feet over the middle of the Atlantic when some passenger sets their clothing or chair on fire.  For that matter try escaping a fire at that altitude.  With all the modern synthetic clothing and materials a single set of garments set afire on the contained environment of a plane could poison every person on the flight.  

If anyone actually interested in potentially dying from smoke inhalation years before the cancer catches up with you this airline should be great for you.  Myself I don’t expect the FAA to allow this airline into the country for the very fact that their airplanes would be a flying tinderbox.

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 12:56 AM

How about dealing with a customer who has a heart attack at the same altitutde. Or a roof of the passanger compartment snapping off.

And thank you for pointing out what tools the smoke nazis will use.
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 01:00 AM

View PostG1223, on Jul 13 2006, 06:56 AM, said:

How about dealing with a customer who has a heart attack at the same altitutde.

One person having a heart-attack, as much as it may suck for that one person is unlikely to kill every single person on the plane.

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Or a roof of the passanger compartment snapping off.

:eek2: Has this ever actually happened?

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And thank you for pointing out what tools the smoke nazis will use.

Please stop calling people with perfectly legitimate concerns (and CJ's comments were perfectly legitimate) nazi's. There has to be a better way to make your point than to use base personal insults in every single post.

Edited by Godeskian, 13 July 2006 - 01:01 AM.

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 01:03 AM

Mmmmm...lung cancer airlines.  Whatever.  :whatsthat:
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 01:50 AM

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These people have obviously never considered there might be a reason why smoking was banned on flights other than whole issue of breathing toxic? Try fighting a fire at 30,000 feet over the middle of the Atlantic when some passenger sets their clothing or chair on fire. For that matter try escaping a fire at that altitude. With all the modern synthetic clothing and materials a single set of garments set afire on the contained environment of a plane could poison every person on the flight.
Smoking was allowed on flights for years without Irwin Allen movies breaking out on them. Sheesh I don't like flying or cigarettes, and this sounds irrational(although admittedly not impossible)even to me. Maybe if the stewardesses start substituting hair spray with kerosene...but until then, I think you'll be holding your breath a long time waiting for "The Taxiing Inferno" to hit the multiplex.  :dontgetit:

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 04:08 AM

The planes in those days were also not filled with synthetic apolstery and carpeting nor stacked with pillows, plastics and the whole host of subsidiary materials that have crept aboard planes in the last thirty some years. For the first few decades of regular plane  service they were very spartan and it wasn't until the 1960s with the formation of the major air routes that you started seeing more acutrements on airliners. Also, those early airliners weren't pressurized and therefore weren't dependent on an internal oxygen supply that could be soured very quickly without the addition of costly scrubbers.
That being said it is kind of an extreme scenerio but also on those old flights not everyone would be smoking unlike this service where you have a self-selection effect that would mean all or most of the passengers would be, increasing the chance of something happening by orders of magnitude. At the very least thier insurance rates and therefore prices are going to be pretty ridiculous. I can't see them making enough of a profit to stay in the air very long.

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 05:45 AM

View PostLORD of the SWORD, on Jul 13 2006, 04:01 AM, said:

Finally a airplane that caters to smokers...If I have to take a flight I'll definately see about trying to book a seat on this airline.

You do realize that you'll have to fly to Germany first just to take a flight and then you'll have to fly to Asia, right?

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 05:50 AM

View PostG1223, on Jul 13 2006, 04:43 AM, said:

No I expect the screaming as smoke nazi's will do all they can to make smokers uncomfortable.

I don't know if you realize how hypocritical that word is. Many people parrot the "nazi" term without ever thinking about it; it just "sounds cool" to say". You use it because you think that you're being controlled by others against your will. Well, if you had your way and everyone could smoke where they wanted, wouldn't non-smokers be controlled against their will? Of course, you might say that a non-smoker is "free" to not enter a smoking establishment, but that's still control - it's saying take it my way or don't take it at all.

Of course, smokers easily forget how they're being controlled by the tobacco companies - through advertising, through artificial increases in nicotine in the cigarettes, etc.

The term "nazi" is a very hateful word. There are implications beyond what you're likely trying to convey. You should consider the word carefully in the future before you use it in such a manner. The nazis did atrocious things; keeping public places smoke-free is hardly an atrocious thing.

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 05:53 AM

View Postscherzo, on Jul 13 2006, 06:50 AM, said:

Smoking was allowed on flights for years without Irwin Allen movies breaking out on them. Sheesh I don't like flying or cigarettes, and this sounds irrational(although admittedly not impossible)even to me. Maybe if the stewardesses start substituting hair spray with kerosene...but until then, I think you'll be holding your breath a long time waiting for "The Taxiing Inferno" to hit the multiplex.  :dontgetit:

Yes, and flying was also a thing for the rich, the business-class, etc. It used to be that 75% of peopel flying were doing so for business and only 25% were flying for pleasure. The last time I looked, those figures were reversed, though business flying was making a comback.

Have you ever watched the show "Airline"? Have you seen some of the people on this show? They can barely get to the airport; they have no idea about rules or policies; some of them look like they can barely dress themselves. These are not people who should have flaming materials at 30,000 feet.

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 07:59 AM

Hey, I'm all for it.   I think it's great.  Smokers've got what they want, and they've given nonsmokers the biggest excuse they'll ever need for not being sympathetic to 'em at all, airline-wise.  Next time any smoker starts complaining on a regular flight, the non-smokers can just say, "Hey, you shoulda flown on that other airline... the one they set up just for you!  But you didn't, so now, why not sit back and enjoy the cool, refreshing menthol flavor of a nice unfliltered Shutdafugup?" :)

Coming soon: buses, taxis, and restaurants, oh my! :)

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 08:08 AM

Oh but ZWolfe we have read in other threads where such places might get a smoke nazi walking in unknowingly. Then after their coughing fit go about shuting said smoking business,bus,and or taxi down.

They have no desire to share the planet with smokers. They are trying to prevent smokers from lighting up in their own homes or on their own property.

This is why I fear these people because if they can stop people smoking on their own property what is going to be their next great crusade. Maybe it will be fatty foods, or eating meat.
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 08:23 AM

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Oh but ZWolfe we have read in other threads where such places might get a smoke nazi walking in unknowingly. Then after their coughing fit go about shuting said smoking business,bus,and or taxi down.

Nope.  If the airline has clearly stated that it's a smoker-friendly airline, then it'll be any non-smoker's turn to grab one-a them menthol things I was talking about. :)  I'd have no more sympathy for a non-smoker flying Nicotine Air than I would a smoker flying the non-smoking airlines.  They'd have no case.  I'd never fly the smoker's airlines, because it's not for me.  If I walked onto one by accident, I'd just have to pop down the emergency breathing aparatus and sit there, quietly cursing myself for being too stupid to book my flight correctly and wait 'til we land so I could get out of there and take a shower and change my clothes.  I wouldn't file a "please protect me from myself 'cuz I'm a dummy" lawsuit.

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They have no desire to share the planet with smokers. They are trying to prevent smokers from lighting up in their own homes or on their own property.

Ah, I dunno... I'm old-school straightedge, so I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for smokers, or drinkers, or drug-users.  But as long as whatever substance their personal weaknesses and shortcomings have driven them to, as long as it's a legal substance, then I've got no problem with 'em staying in their house, property, specially-set-up airline, etc. with it.

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This is why I fear these people because if they can stop people smoking on their own property what is going to be their next great crusade. Maybe it will be fatty foods, or eating meat.

All these slippery slopes, and me without a sled.  Nobody's even stopped anyone from smoking on their own property yet, and we've already got 'em yankin' my Big Mac outta my hand...

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 08:35 AM

I didn't read the linked article, but it seems like this wouldn't ever work here for the same reason smoking sections cannot endure in American restaurants: not because people shouldn't have freedom of chocie--in an ideal world, they should--but because businesses cannot discriminate in hiring by employing ONLY smokers to crew these planes.

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 08:44 AM

I don't think they'd have to hire only smokers.  They just say, "If you work here, you're going to be in a smoke-filled environment.  That's the job.  If you don't want to work there, then you should apply somewhere else."   If a non-smoker wanted to work there anyway... eh, s'ahright.  They just wouldn't be able to complain about the conditions, 'cuz they knew what they were going in.

I'd have no problem with a steakhouse hiring a vegetarian, either, as long as the vegetarian knew they'd be handling meat and were okay with that.   I mean, I'm an athiest, and I used to work at a gospel radio station.  (It wasn't when I started there, but changed formats).  I didn't have a problem with that - I just kept my opinions to myself as part of the job.  Wasn't any problem.

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