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#21 Palisades

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 04:34 PM

View PostJosh, on Aug 10 2006, 03:29 PM, said:

I've read that they might start banning electronic items from planes (like computers and cell phones). That'll get interesting. :eek4:

Israel's Mossad used an exploding cell phone to assassinate someone. I'm not sure how severely such a tactic could damage a commercial jetliner though.
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Posted 10 August 2006 - 04:37 PM

Depends, if someone put it up against a window or one of the emergency doors. If it's strong enough for assasination, it might well be strong enough to destroy airline plastic.

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 04:37 PM

It's not really the components exploding that's a problem. It's that anything electronic can be used to detonate a bomb.
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Posted 10 August 2006 - 04:50 PM

View PostJosh, on Aug 10 2006, 03:37 PM, said:

It's not really the components exploding that's a problem. It's that anything electronic can be used to detonate a bomb.
You can make a battery out of an orange or other citric fruit. You might be able to get an electric current from the fruit strong enough to detonate the explosive. Of course, fruit would probably be banned anyway since it can be injected with liquid explosive.

Edited by Solar Wind, 10 August 2006 - 04:53 PM.

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 05:05 PM

I've always contended that the only answer is to replace stewardi with anesthethists and nurses and put every passenger to sleep.  

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 05:07 PM

View PostThemis, on Aug 10 2006, 03:05 PM, said:

I've always contended that the only answer is to replace stewardi with anesthethists and nurses and put every passenger to sleep.  

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That would certainly make overseas trips more compelling. ;)
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Posted 10 August 2006 - 05:07 PM

View PostThemis, on Aug 10 2006, 03:05 PM, said:

I've always contended that the only answer is to replace stewardi with anesthethists and nurses and put every passenger to sleep.  

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 05:29 PM

'Inside the UK terror plot'

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/

al Qaeda commander, funds from Karachi, similar to a 1995 plot to hit planes over the Pacific. (Musharef still has an al Qaeda problem in his land, they need to get even more busy; oh, and, it's STILL believed that bin Laden is still there)
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Posted 10 August 2006 - 05:36 PM

MI5 had been tracking this particular bunch for months but only recently did they become a greater cause for concern when Pakistan's ISI gained additional intelligence which indicated they presented a more immediate threat.

It's believed that were going to attempt a dry run in the next couple of days with the actual attack to take place within the next 10 days.

Blair contacted Bush on Sunday to inform him of the situation before he went on holiday.

In the UK, Home Secretary John Reid and Douglas Alexander appear to be running the show rather than the Deputy PM who appears to have been completely sidelined. Prescott is reportedly 'incandescent with fury' at being excluded from COBRA briefings.
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Posted 10 August 2006 - 05:38 PM

Shaun, have you just been watching Newsnight? As usual it had a slightly better analysis of the events rather than the superficial level facts which the national news channels arn't getting past.
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Posted 10 August 2006 - 05:49 PM

^I saw the opening part of the programme but had to go do some other things. I'll catch the rest later.
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Posted 10 August 2006 - 10:38 PM

Pretty much consigns contact lens wearers to traveling with eyeglasses since they won't be able to carry rewetting solution. Nor will they be able to carry the lens in a case with them so they'll have to take the chance of them being in checked luggage.

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 11:38 PM

they're gonna lose a lot of money if authorities in general don't start doing a better job of cleaning up the terrorists.

if they try and make these rules permanent they aren't getting money out of me.  number one - i am not flying without my contact drops.  especially with the crappy recycled air on planes.  i'm also not packing my contacts and wearing my glasses, because if they end up outside the solution, they are ruined.  number two - i'm not flying without something to do.  if i can't even bring my book bag with some books, a notebook and pens, and discman on, they can forget it.  my discman will be destroyed stuffed with a bunch of crap in the hold.

and i know business people are NOT going to cotton to the idea of checking their laptops into the hold where they can be bashed, smashed and thrown around with all the other luggage.

unless these rules are temporary, the airlines better have fun trying to get ANYONE to fly now.

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 12:02 AM

View PostZwolf, on Aug 10 2006, 01:30 PM, said:

P.S. - "Peroxide-based paste"?  Does this mean that if we, fer instance, pour Gatorade over Paris Hilton's head, she'll explode?  Let's try it!   Blonde bombshell redefined...

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 05:03 AM

View PostHambil, on Aug 10 2006, 01:55 PM, said:

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U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the plans were "suggestive of an al Qaeda plot," and President Bush said the arrests are a "stark reminder" that the U.S. is "at war with Islamic fascists."

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View PostThemis, on Aug 10 2006, 05:05 PM, said:

I've always contended that the only answer is to replace stewardi with anesthethists and nurses and put every passenger to sleep.  

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Next thing you know, we'll be flying naked.  But we'd still have to undergo cavity searches for those sneaky people who want to place a bomb from you know where. :o
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Posted 11 August 2006 - 06:43 AM

The rules are affecting pilots as well - they're not being allowed to bring on board their safety and aircraft operations manuals and have to carry their documents in clear bags.
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Posted 11 August 2006 - 08:18 AM

View PostFnlPrblm, on Aug 11 2006, 04:03 AM, said:

Next thing you know, we'll be flying naked.  But we'd still have to undergo cavity searches for those sneaky people who want to place a bomb from you know where. :o

The terrorists will probably eventually figure out how to implant explosives into large, surgically implanted cysts in their bodies, and some of them my already have this capability. Of course, such a drastic measure is far from necessary as of yet since our airport security is so lax even all these years after the twin towers fell. I don't have a link, but I remember a recent study that showed that the percentage of forbidden items caught by U.S. airport screenings is not significantly different now than it was before September 11.

No matter what security precautions we evolve, someone will figure out a way around them (as those of us involved with computer security have found out). The key is striking a proper balance between prevention and providing acceptable access for legitimate passengers.

Edited by Solar Wind, 11 August 2006 - 12:14 PM.

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 09:22 AM

You know...I remember I was in a domestic terminal in India a few years ago, and there was a sign saying "No pickles allowed on flights." This seemed comical at the time, but now it doesn't seem so far-fetched.

Going through security is always a bad experience for me. Because I have an Indian name, I'm always "randomly searched." It's bullcrap and I'm sick of it, but I can almost see where they're coming from. Now it's just going to be worse.

I'm flying to school in a few weeks. I had already planned to have my new laptop sent to me a few days after I got there, so that won't be a problem. Do you think they'll let me take my violin? I'll be the first to admit that I could fit a few guns and a bomb or two in that case, but I refuse to check or ship that.

Actually, I have a fun story about my violin and planes, too. I was on the ramp leading to the plane...on the ramp!...and some guard ripped my violin case out of my hands, threw it to the ground, and roughly opened it up, taking the violin out straight into the path of people...I hate that guard to this day. He ruined my $400 bow by touching it with his oily fingers. Because horsehair can definitely be used as a weapon, especially if used with pickles.

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 09:28 AM

View PostFnlPrblm, on Aug 11 2006, 04:03 AM, said:

Next thing you know, we'll be flying naked.  But we'd still have to undergo cavity searches for those sneaky people who want to place a bomb from you know where. :o


Heehee....

I had that very idea and posted it on another board yesterday

Everybody naked and not allowed to eat or drink anything for at least three hours before their flight.

Really starting to wonder if this is not some plot to see how close to naked they can get us all. :eek2:

And believe me if you ever sat next to a gassy person on a plane....that can be really toxic :barf:

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Posted 11 August 2006 - 02:06 PM

CNN:

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The original information about the plan came from the Muslim community in Britain, according to a British intelligence official.
At least CNN put that information into its article -- albeit buried in the middle.

Edited by Solar Wind, 11 August 2006 - 02:07 PM.

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