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#1 Gabrielles Army

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 07:52 PM

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Sen. Clinton seeks $1.9B for 9/11's sick

By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 2 minutes ago

NEW YORK - Thousands of sick ground zero workers need nearly $2 billion in long-term treatment for ongoing health woes, Sen.
Hillary Rodham Clinton said Wednesday in the U.S. Senate as she offered legislation creating a long-term medical program.

Clinton, D-N.Y., brought an amendment to a ports security bill seeking to create a five-year, $1.9 billion treatment program for those still suffering the after-effects of the toxic dust, debris and fumes they endured at ground zero after the 2001 terror attacks.

"If we don't take care of these people now and start putting up a system that we can have in place for the next several years, we are going to betray a fundamental responsibility to those who we salute whenever it is convenient, whenever it is political," said Clinton, speaking on the Senate floor two days after the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

"Enough with that. They don't want our speeches. They don't want our flowery rhetoric. They want our help," said Clinton.

The senator offered the amendment on the heels of a major new study that found almost 70 percent of those who worked at ground zero suffered some type of lung ailment during or after the event.

The findings propelled a growing public outcry for the government to treat the sick workers, and Clinton's measure would vastly multiply federal spending to date for Sept. 11-related health programs.

She estimated sick workers would need about $5,800 each a year in health care.

http://news.yahoo.co.../attacks_health

Yep I`m sure Bush could afford a couple measly billion from those hundreds of billions being spent over in Iraq.

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 08:24 PM

I don't trust Hilary.  She's doing her best to take away Constitutional rights of the American people, and has personal agenda's I don't agree with at all.  She has money, and so do all the other Senators.  Let them give a $1.98, no, make that $1,980,000.  That's chump change to them still.
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Posted 13 September 2006 - 08:26 PM

Given that the government refuses to acknowledge the existence of Gulf War Syndrome from the first Gulf War....or rather that a recent study refuses to acknowledge such a thing......

I wonder how hard it is going to be for this to pass....

They deserve it as they were only trying to help others.  As to it not going to those first responders in Washington DC or Shanksville..... there were different factors involved there.  Not as much dust or asbestos etc in those other situations.  (I guess)

I suppose that some provision could be made tho for the DC and Shanksville cases if any.

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 08:38 PM

View PostSpidey, on Sep 13 2006, 06:24 PM, said:

I don't trust Hilary.  She's doing her best to take away Constitutional rights of the American people, and has personal agenda's I don't agree with at all.


Uh???? How exactly is Hilary doing all that?  I though Republicans controlled the house the senate and the white house at the moment.


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She has money, and so do all the other Senators.  Let them give a $1.98, no, make that $1,980,000.  That's chump change to them still.

So you think that the hero`s of 9/11 who have become sick through no fault of their own
while doing their jobs don`t deserve a liitle compensation from your federal government that is currently spending 100 times more that what they are asking for, over in Iraq.

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 08:52 PM

View PostSpidey, on Sep 13 2006, 09:24 PM, said:

I don't trust Hilary.  She's doing her best to take away Constitutional rights of the American people, and has personal agenda's I don't agree with at all.

What agenda would this be, then?  And, for that matter, what Constitutional rights is she looking to take away?

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Posted 13 September 2006 - 09:02 PM

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I don't trust Hilary. She's doing her best to take away Constitutional rights of the American people, and has personal agenda's I don't agree with at all. She has money, and so do all the other Senators. Let them give a $1.98, no, make that $1,980,000. That's chump change to them still.

I'm not a fan of Hillary either but what exactly has one democratic Senator done to take away your Constitutional rights? Seems to me the Republicans are doing a fine job of that without any help from the other side of the aisle...Taking our freedoms to protect all that we hold dear and makes America great, or some such schznit. Apparently someone needed to fill them in on the fact that those things we "hold dear" and what made "America great" are the very freedoms they've been wittling away at since taking power.
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Posted 13 September 2006 - 09:15 PM

I'm not a big Hilary fan either, but the facts bear her out. There are too many sick and dying ground zero workers who need taking care of, and not all are from the state of New York. Something needs to be done, and fast, and I can think of 2 things right off the top of my head: 1) their medical expenses need to be covered and 2) when they die because they were lied by their own government as to whether ground zero was safe or not, they need to be considered as having fallen in the line of duty.

What have we sunk to if we don't take care of the people who bail us out when there's a catastrophe? You don't have to "like" Hilary Clinton to support this.

Edited by Rhea, 13 September 2006 - 09:17 PM.

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 01:28 AM

Well...  Senator Clinton's proposal sure sounds good on the surface.  But, I would like to know what compensation the sick and injured are getting from their current health plans.  Unfortunately, neither the article, nor Senator Clinton, offered that information.  How do we know they're not being adequately compensated right now?  Maybe their needs are already covered.  If they're not, then absolutely, Congress should step up (although I might prefer soliciting private donations).  But, if they are, then this could be just another example of political posturing.

Start asking the proper questions and make the senator and Congress justify their actions whichever way they decide.

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 01:48 AM

View PostGabrielles Army, on Sep 13 2006, 06:38 PM, said:

View PostSpidey, on Sep 13 2006, 06:24 PM, said:

I don't trust Hilary.  She's doing her best to take away Constitutional rights of the American people, and has personal agenda's I don't agree with at all.


Uh???? How exactly is Hilary doing all that?  I though Republicans controlled the house the senate and the white house at the moment.

Uh, check out her activity with Mayor Bloomberg, and her activity in NY.  Not good.

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She has money, and so do all the other Senators.  Let them give a $1.98, no, make that $1,980,000.  That's chump change to them still.

So you think that the hero`s of 9/11 who have become sick through no fault of their own
while doing their jobs don`t deserve a liitle compensation from your federal government that is currently spending 100 times more that what they are asking for, over in Iraq.

Now, what I said has nothing to do with those hero's.  Never said it did.  What I am saying is she is using this as a ploy to boost her political prominance.  She's not doing it out of concern for those who have become ill because of that attack and horrible event.

This is your federal government too, BTW.  Your not reading my post right...again.  However, despite that, I agree that the government is spending VAST amounts of money on the WRONG things, and has been doing so for years now.  Instead of getting into a war that can't be won in Iraq, money should have been spent helping OUR victims, actually securing OUR borders, helping out New Orleans, and so forth.  I am displeased with the Duh-bya' administration to say the least.
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Posted 14 September 2006 - 03:40 AM

View PostSpidey, on Sep 13 2006, 11:48 PM, said:

View PostGabrielles Army, on Sep 13 2006, 06:38 PM, said:

View PostSpidey, on Sep 13 2006, 06:24 PM, said:

I don't trust Hilary.  She's doing her best to take away Constitutional rights of the American people, and has personal agenda's I don't agree with at all.


Uh???? How exactly is Hilary doing all that?  I though Republicans controlled the house the senate and the white house at the moment.

Uh, check out her activity with Mayor Bloomberg, and her activity in NY.  Not good.

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She has money, and so do all the other Senators.  Let them give a $1.98, no, make that $1,980,000.  That's chump change to them still.

So you think that the hero`s of 9/11 who have become sick through no fault of their own
while doing their jobs don`t deserve a liitle compensation from your federal government that is currently spending 100 times more that what they are asking for, over in Iraq.

Now, what I said has nothing to do with those hero's.  Never said it did.  What I am saying is she is using this as a ploy to boost her political prominance.  She's not doing it out of concern for those who have become ill because of that attack and horrible event.

This is your federal government too, BTW.  Your not reading my post right...again.  However, despite that, I agree that the government is spending VAST amounts of money on the WRONG things, and has been doing so for years now.  Instead of getting into a war that can't be won in Iraq, money should have been spent helping OUR victims, actually securing OUR borders, helping out New Orleans, and so forth.  I am displeased with the Duh-bya' administration to say the least.

You need to get off Clinton as the EEEVUL LIBERAL who can't do anything right and concentrate on what she's trying to do, which if I remember my reading correctly she was asked to do by both the city and state of New York. Those workers need to be taken care of, and letting your distaste for Hilary get in the way of something good for the workers is a kneejerk reaction, IMO.

Personally, if we have to go point by point I'd argue it's your conservative Congress who's given away our rights without so much as a squeak while spending like drunken sailors. Hilary's part of the minority, and they've been pretty much hamstrung the last 6 years.

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 08:38 AM

View PostRhea, on Sep 14 2006, 08:40 AM, said:

You need to get off Clinton as the EEEVUL LIBERAL who can't do anything right and concentrate on what she's trying to do, which if I remember my reading correctly she was asked to do by both the city and state of New York. Those workers need to be taken care of, and letting your distaste for Hilary get in the way of something good for the workers is a kneejerk reaction, IMO.

Personally, if we have to go point by point I'd argue it's your conservative Congress who's given away our rights without so much as a squeak while spending like drunken sailors. Hilary's part of the minority, and they've been pretty much hamstrung the last 6 years.

Ding!

I'm not Hillary's biggest fan myself but I don't see anything wrong wth trying to help these people who did so much to help others. And if she is doing this to raise some publicity for herself? SO WHAT! That is her job after all, she is a politician.

We all have these childlike desires for a true stateman, or stateswoman who is only there to serve us and not a corrupt politican who only wants money and power. But that is all it is, a childlike desire. Guess what? Not going to happen anytime soon. So you hold you nose and vote for the man or woman who is going to screw you over LESS.

(And lately you have to worry if your vote will actualy be counted right but that is a whole seperate thread in itself....)

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 09:12 AM

View PostRhea, on Sep 14 2006, 02:40 AM, said:

You need to get off Clinton as the EEEVUL LIBERAL who can't do anything right and concentrate on what she's trying to do, which if I remember my reading correctly she was asked to do by both the city and state of New York. Those workers need to be taken care of, and letting your distaste for Hilary get in the way of something good for the workers is a kneejerk reaction, IMO.

I think you remember right, Rhea, as I also remember reading that also.  

And duh, she's the Senator for New York so she is only serving the people who elected her.  If they asked her to do this and she ignored it... then people would be yelling about how she was not serving the people she represents.  :rolleyes:

Besides she's not the only one introducing legislation about this issue of health care for the first responders----

Lawmaker introduces billto aid sick 9/11 first responders, residents....and his name is not Hillary :rolleyes:

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On the heels of the release of a new study on the health problems of rescue and recovery workers at the World Trade Center site, a local Congressman proposed new legislation Thursday that is aimed at helping them, as well as those who lived and worked in Lower Manhattan.

Under the 9/11 Comprehensive Health Benefits Act, anyone with related illnesses would get health benefits under Medicare. It would also put together a consortium to monitor and do research on the illnesses, as well as create a federally funded medical center to focus on them.

Congressman Jerrold Nadler who represents Lower Manhattan introduced the bill. He says the federal government is to blame for telling people the air was safe downtown shortly after the attacks.

"We may have more people die because of the government's improper decision than on the direct attacks of the World Trade Center," said Nadler. "It remains to be seen who caused more casualties: Osama Bin Laden or the Environmental Protection [Agency]. And we won't know that for another 30 or 40 years."

So I suppose the same things said here about Hillary must be said about him....or is it different because he's a man and not Hillary? After all, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.   :rolleyes:

and here's something from the same article about the issue of being asked for help by NY ...granted he does not say he asked anyone specifically but....

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Meanwhile, Governor George Pataki wants the federal government to step up. Speaking with NY1's Rebecca Spitz, the governor says Washington should do more to help first responders and Lower Manhattan residents.

"It seems to me that the federal government, which has helped us so much with the recovery in Lower Manhattan, also has an obligation here because these were heroes responding to help New York get through the aftermath of September 11th, but they also helped America get through the aftermath of September 11th," said Pataki.

Last month, Pataki signed a law that provides improved health benefits for those who got sick after working at the site.


In addition I read that there are also lawsuits filed on behalf of individuals who became ill after 9/11...first responders and citizens alike who were told it was safe to work and live there....

Don't you think it would be cheaper to have a healthcare plan/fund to defray some of that cost?

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 09:14 AM

View PostSpidey, on Sep 14 2006, 02:48 AM, said:

View PostGabrielles Army, on Sep 13 2006, 06:38 PM, said:

View PostSpidey, on Sep 13 2006, 06:24 PM, said:

I don't trust Hilary.  She's doing her best to take away Constitutional rights of the American people, and has personal agenda's I don't agree with at all.


Uh???? How exactly is Hilary doing all that?  I though Republicans controlled the house the senate and the white house at the moment.

Uh, check out her activity with Mayor Bloomberg, and her activity in NY.  Not good.

You made the claim, Spidey.  Now the onus is on you to post proof or retract.  That's how it works.

To what "actvity with Mayor Bloomberg" do you refer?  And what "activity in NY," where's she so popular, considered so unbeatable, that the Republicans have been unable to mount serious opposition.  

Why?  Because she's worked her butt off, and the people of the state (including the huge, and overwhelmingly conservative/republican upstate regions) have recognized it.

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 10:09 AM

I think that these first responders who went to the rubble risked so much for the wounded that even those in this tough spot of trouble, where their new illness has some indicator the gov use to keep from aid, like the guy with colon cancer who's fam has a colon cancer history, even though he just got his after that rubble responding ... the gov should give aid, maybe not lifetime disability but maybe for ten years or more, or at least the medical costs, something ... honour those who risked. Just think of the fam financially devastated by the financials when their parent went in there to help strangers in need.
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Posted 14 September 2006 - 11:19 AM

why *not* lifetime disability?  if they don't deserve it, it's hard to imagine who WOULD.

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 11:29 AM

One of the big issues is that there's a limitation on Workers' Comp, depending on the state. That means that workers disabled by Ground Zero work in some cases got kicked off Workers Comp after five years.

The Governor of New York signed a law that extends the Workers Comp for them and, if they die, treats them as though they died in the line of duty, but why should the City and State of New York bear the whole burden of a national calamity?
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Posted 14 September 2006 - 11:50 AM

^^

Exactly Rhea.....

especially since the EPA...a federal agency told them it was safe

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 12:21 PM

View PostRhea, on Sep 13 2006, 07:15 PM, said:

I'm not a big Hilary fan either, but the facts bear her out. There are too many sick and dying ground zero workers who need taking care of, and not all are from the state of New York. Something needs to be done, and fast, and I can think of 2 things right off the top of my head: 1) their medical expenses need to be covered and 2) when they die because they were lied by their own government as to whether ground zero was safe or not, they need to be considered as having fallen in the line of duty.

What have we sunk to if we don't take care of the people who bail us out when there's a catastrophe? You don't have to "like" Hilary Clinton to support this.
I couldn't have said it better myself.  

View PostScottEVill, on Sep 14 2006, 09:19 AM, said:

why *not* lifetime disability?  if they don't deserve it, it's hard to imagine who WOULD.
I would certainly welcome them to the ranks of the p&t, and gladly.  

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 12:49 PM

View Poststandish, on Sep 13 2006, 11:28 PM, said:

Well...  Senator Clinton's proposal sure sounds good on the surface.  But, I would like to know what compensation the sick and injured are getting from their current health plans.  Unfortunately, neither the article, nor Senator Clinton, offered that information.  How do we know they're not being adequately compensated right now?  Maybe their needs are already covered.  If they're not, then absolutely, Congress should step up (although I might prefer soliciting private donations).  But, if they are, then this could be just another example of political posturing.

Start asking the proper questions and make the senator and Congress justify their actions whichever way they decide.

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By ROBERT F. MOORE
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Retired NYPD detective James Zadroga - who leaves behind a young daughter, Tylerann - wrote a letter about his work at Ground Zero.
A retired NYPD detective, who worked more than 450 hours at Ground Zero, died Thursday from brain and respiratory complications that his family insists were linked to the World Trade Center cleanup.

While autopsy results are pending, union officials maintain James Zadroga's death is the first post-9/11 death of a city officer linked to hazardous material from Ground Zero.

"Our detective is a hero," said Mike Palladino, president of the Detectives' Endowment Association. "He had a disregard for his own health and life and tried to save others."

In a chilling letter Zadroga wrote about a year after the terror attacks, he described his deteriorating health - including a constant cough and sore throat.

"No one cares at the job," he wrote. "They tell me I'm fine, go back to work. But, truthfully, I haven't felt this bad in my life.... And what thanks do I get now that I'm sick?"

NYPD officials said Zadroga, 34, was given a tax-free disability pension of three-quarters pay in 2004. His pension was the result of a pulmonary disease related to 9/11, a police official said.

After leaving the NYPD, Zadroga was responsible for his own medical bills.

http://www.nydailyne...9p-323303c.html

Well if this cops situation is any example then clearly they are not recieving enough help.

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Posted 14 September 2006 - 12:58 PM

View PostSpidey, on Sep 13 2006, 11:48 PM, said:

I don't trust Hilary.  She's doing her best to take away Constitutional rights of the American people, and has personal agenda's I don't agree with at all.


View PostSpidey, on Sep 13 2006, 11:48 PM, said:

Uh, check out her activity with Mayor Bloomberg, and her activity in NY.  Not good.

Since your the one accusing Hilary of trying to take away your Constitutional rights please provide some examples that prove she has done this.  And again since it is republicans who currently hold all the power why are your not concerned with what they are doing to your constitutional rights?



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