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Senator Bill Frist: Let's make nice with the Taliban

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#1 Call Me Robin

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 07:55 PM

The good doctor has a prescription for Afghanistan.

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U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said Monday that the Afghan guerrilla war can never be won militarily and called for efforts to bring the Taliban and their supporters into the Afghan government.

The Tennessee Republican said he had learned from briefings that Taliban fighters were too numerous and had too much popular support to be defeated by military means.

"You need to bring them into a more transparent type of government," Frist said during a brief visit to a U.S. and Romanian military base in the southern Taliban stronghold of Qalat. "And if that's accomplished we'll be successful."

Frist said asking the Taliban to join the government was a decision to be made by Afghan President Hamid Karzai.
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Yes, that Taliban.  The guys who protected bin Laden and think flying kites in sinful.

We can expect more precious commentary if this guy makes good on his wish to run for president.  

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 07:59 PM

Holy freakin' crap!   :eek:  :eek:  :eek:    The no education for females and only religious extremism lessons for boys Taliban?  Aw geez.   :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 08:02 PM

Of course, he's going to bat for them.  They're his ideological cousins.

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 08:08 PM

View PostScottEVill, on Oct 2 2006, 06:02 PM, said:

Of course, he's going to bat for them.  They're his ideological cousins.
Got that right.    :blink:  :suspect:  :angry:

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 08:48 PM

Hey; they're in another country. Why should we get to choose how they should live their lives? How does that make any sense?

How much help have we been since WWII? Korea? Disaster. Vietnam? Worse. Iraq? Probably worse than Vietnam, but we'll never admit it.

We have a lot to fix in our country before we should go around telling others how they should run theirs.

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 09:12 PM

^There's telling another country what to do, and then there's standing up for fundamental human rights.

And playing nice with a toppled regime with a proven track record of supporting terrorism, controlling much of the world's supply of heroin, and suppressing the fundamental rights of half their former country's population does *not* count as standing up for anything other than political expediency.

The only good reason I can think of for inviting the Taliban to join the Afghan government is so we can lure them out into the open, where we may snipe them at our leisure.
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Posted 02 October 2006 - 09:23 PM

View PostJid, on Oct 3 2006, 02:12 AM, said:

^There's telling another country what to do, and then there's standing up for fundamental human rights.

And who decides what "fundamental human rights" are, exactly? What makes US so high and mighty?

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 09:35 PM

View PostBroph, on Oct 2 2006, 08:23 PM, said:

And who decides what "fundamental human rights" are, exactly? What makes US so high and mighty?
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The plurality of humanity.  As whole, most people believe the have a right to do simple things like attend school, and choose their own path in life.

The US is far from the only country with a presence in Afghanistan, and as such, any perceived "high"ness and "might" of America is, at best, tangential to the issue.
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Posted 02 October 2006 - 09:42 PM

OK, this has got to be one of the worst political suicides I've ever heard, right next to Dean's Scream heard round the world.

If this guy even attempts to run for President, you know this statement of his is going to be played 24 7 on the commericals. Hell, the boy should've just announced that his choice for Vice President was Bin Laden...
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Posted 02 October 2006 - 10:35 PM

Screw the Taliban.  We have Angus Young on our side!

The commander of United States forces in southern Afghanistan, Col. R. Stephen Williams, 46, from Anchorage, joined the battle four days later. He gathered Canadian, American and Afghan forces for an attack on Pashmul on Sept. 12.

After wearing the Taliban down for six days with rock music blaring across the river valley, and artillery fire and airstrikes wherever they spotted a concentration of fighters, they found a weak spot in the Taliban’s defenses.

Playing his favorite song, AC/DC’s “Back in Black,” to hide the sound of the armored vehicles, Colonel Williams took the Taliban by surprise, crossing the river and driving through the cornfields from the northeast.


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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:02 PM

^While the Taliban are more recognized as an organized Islamo-fascist group, aren't we already doing this with Muqtadar al-Sadr's group in Iraq?  IIRC, he's the ultra Islamo-fascist leader of S'n Iraq (particularly around Basra) and has his own force.  Aren't we trying to talk that guy into bringing his Shiite group into the Iraqi gov't?  Or did we?

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 11:20 PM

Here's the  difference:  the Taliban in Afghanistan harbored bin Laden at the time he attacked the United States, and subsequently declined to hand him over.  Sadr didn't.  

Some of us still think that apprehending the bastards who murdered almost 3000 Americans is more important than controlling Iraqi oil or planting fourteen "enduring bases" in Iraq to set up a hegemony over the Middle East.  Funny thing,  that hasn't been working out too well.
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Posted 03 October 2006 - 04:18 AM

View PostJid, on Oct 3 2006, 02:35 AM, said:

In order:

The plurality of humanity.  As whole, most people believe the have a right to do simple things like attend school, and choose their own path in life.

The US is far from the only country with a presence in Afghanistan, and as such, any perceived "high"ness and "might" of America is, at best, tangential to the issue.

Since when did a majority vote make something "right"? Didn't we have a majority in this country who once believed that slavery was "right"? Didn't we just see a House vote that said that protecting themselves from lawsuits against unconstitutional laws is "right"?

Would you like it if they came to our country and told us that we weren't being "right"? Gee, some people did on Sept. 11th. We didn't like it then, yet we turn around and tell another country what they should be doing? I don't think so.

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 07:59 AM

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Since when did a majority vote make something "right"? Didn't we have a majority in this country who once believed that slavery was "right"? Didn't we just see a House vote that said that protecting themselves from lawsuits against unconstitutional laws is "right"?

You don't see any difference between those instances and playing footsies with Bin Ladens allies that seem to feel seperating woman from their torso's at soccer fields is A-OK?

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Would you like it if they came to our country and told us that we weren't being "right"? Gee, some people did on Sept. 11th. We didn't like it then, yet we turn around and tell another country what they should be doing? I don't think so.

If our government was beheading woman, denying them the right to speak, to an education and in many cases mandating their deaths because we couldn't go outside unescorted by male relatives (and they were all dead), if they were teaching are kids hatered, extremism and violence...Yes, yes I would want the world to say we were wrong. How about you?
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Posted 03 October 2006 - 08:25 AM

View PostLin731, on Oct 3 2006, 05:59 AM, said:

If our government was beheading woman, denying them the right to speak, to an education and in many cases mandating their deaths because we couldn't go outside unescorted by male relatives (and they were all dead), if they were teaching are kids hatered, extremism and violence...Yes, yes I would want the world to say we were wrong.

What Lin said.  This is what Frist stands for if he stands with the Taliban.  

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 08:27 AM

Gee, that's funny, I was just thinking we should make a compromise with the Taliban, too.  

Here's the deal I wanted to cut with them, and I think it's quite reasonable:  what they need to do is, all die.  Then, when they've kept their part of the bargain we will, in turn, all go about our day, whistling a happy little tune.  :)

I hope they accept those terms, 'cuz I'm not real negotiable on it...

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 08:28 AM

View PostLin731, on Oct 3 2006, 12:59 PM, said:

You don't see any difference between those instances and playing footsies with Bin Ladens allies that seem to feel seperating woman from their torso's at soccer fields is A-OK?

I don't think you were looking at the point I was making; I simply said that just because a majority agrees on something doesn't make it "right".

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If our government was beheading woman, denying them the right to speak, to an education and in many cases mandating their deaths because we couldn't go outside unescorted by male relatives (and they were all dead), if they were teaching are kids hatered, extremism and violence...Yes, yes I would want the world to say we were wrong. How about you?

Think about it for a minute. That's exactly what they did. We show programs where people commit adultery and drink and do all sorts of nasty stuff. Our music promotes violence and anarchy. These people feared that their followers would learn from our example and start emulating us, thus losing their chance at paradise after death. Their honor and their religious views are more important to them than anything that happens here on earth. And for that, the flew planes into buildings.

From their perspective, they thought that they were right and that they should do something about it.

I think that they're wrong and I think that if we do something similar, then we're just as wrong.

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 08:30 AM

View PostNonny, on Oct 3 2006, 01:25 PM, said:

View PostLin731, on Oct 3 2006, 05:59 AM, said:

If our government was beheading woman, denying them the right to speak, to an education and in many cases mandating their deaths because we couldn't go outside unescorted by male relatives (and they were all dead), if they were teaching are kids hatered, extremism and violence...Yes, yes I would want the world to say we were wrong.

What Lin said.  This is what Frist stands for if he stands with the Taliban.  

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There is a difference between allowing another country to manage their own affairs as they see fit and standing "with" them. There are other things that can be done to try to change their minds, such as economic embargos.

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 08:32 AM

View PostBroph, on Oct 3 2006, 02:18 AM, said:

Would you like it if they came to our country and told us that we weren't being "right"?
I didn't like it when the previous pope did it.  How about you?  

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 08:38 AM

View PostNonny, on Oct 3 2006, 01:32 PM, said:

View PostBroph, on Oct 3 2006, 02:18 AM, said:

Would you like it if they came to our country and told us that we weren't being "right"?
I didn't like it when the previous pope did it.  How about you?  

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Gotta call you on that selective quoting that you did. You cut out the part about Sept. 11th and all that, which was an important part of what I was saying. The last time I checked, the pope didn't get a bunch of planes to fly into buildings. It's one thing to state that someone is wrong; it's another thing to take action against those people for what one may think is right or wrong.

But on your statement - you state that you didn't like it when the previous pope "did it". How exactly do you think the Taliban like it when we attack them and try to take them out of power? Do you really think it makes things any better? What did we ever accomplish in Korea, Vietnam or Iraq. Korea and Vietnam are worse off than when we went there. Iraq isn't much better and when we leave all heck is going to break out.



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