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#1 BklnScott

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Posted 29 October 2006 - 08:43 PM

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Nov. 6, 2006 issue - Many months ago it became obvious to all but the most ideologically blinkered that America is losing the war launched to deal with a chimeric problem (an arsenal of WMD) and to achieve a delusory goal (a democracy that would inspire emulation, transforming the region). ...

A surreal and ultimately disgusting facet of the Iraq fiasco is the lag between when a fact becomes obvious and when the fiasco's architects acknowledge that fact. Iraq's civil war has been raging for more than a year; so has the Washington debate about whether it is what it is.

In a recent interview with Vice President Cheney, Time magazine asked, "If you had to take back any one thing you'd said about Iraq, what would it be?" Selecting from what one hopes is a very long list, Cheney replied: "I thought that the elections that we went through in '05 would have had a bigger impact on the level of violence than they have ... I thought we were over the hump in terms of violence. I think that was premature."

He thinks so? Clearly, and weirdly, he implies that the elections had some positive impact on the level of violence. Worse, in the full transcript of the interview posted online he said the big impact he expected from the elections "hasn't happened yet." "Yet"? Doggedness can be admirable, but this is clinical.

Anyway, what Cheney actually said 17 months ago was that the insurgency was in its "last throes." That was much stronger than saying we were "over the hump" regarding violence. Beware of people who misquote themselves while purporting to display candor.

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Posted 30 October 2006 - 09:52 AM

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Selecting from what one hopes is a very long list, Cheney replied: "I thought that the elections that we went through in '05 would have had a bigger impact on the level of violence than they have ... I thought we were over the hump in terms of violence. I think that was premature."

Remember the State of the Union Address in, I think,  04 when some Republican representatives ran around grinning and waving purple thumbs? It was sorta like Mission Accomplished. And the capture of Saddam. And the deaths of Uday and Whatsisname....And all the other signs that we were in fact going to wrap this war up and be victorious.

I have no idea what we need to do next in Iraq--stay, increase troop strength, or redeploy. That's one dangerous hornet's nest we've stirred. But I'm utterly and completely fed up with being lied to by Cheney, Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld and others. And I give them credit by accusing them of lying. If they aren't lying, they are possibly the most ideologically blind and grossly incompetent officials in the history of American government.

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Posted 30 October 2006 - 10:39 AM

There's a joke i've been hearing off and on since 2000, with regards to Dick Cheney that goes 'Bush is only one heart attack away from being president'

I find him a very dangerous, worrysome man.

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Posted 30 October 2006 - 02:26 PM

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Remember the State of the Union Address in, I think, 04 when some Republican representatives ran around grinning and waving purple thumbs? It was sorta like Mission Accomplished.

I remember that little bit of grandstanding.  I think they did it twice.

Still, the purple thing I still associate most with the current batch of Republicans are those purple heart band-aids, which remains one of the most disgusting, disrespectful-to-veterans things I've ever seen.   You don't make light of our military's symbol of sacrifice, with blood and pain behind it.  I know they were trying to dig at Kerry, but it came across a lot worse than that to me. I dunno what they used for glue in those band-aids, 'cuz usually you can't get things to stick to pieces of s**t.

Anyway, grandstanding or not, I wish the purple thumbs had meant more than they ended up doing.  As has been too often the case, people have erred on the side of optimism and declared their victories prematurely.  Optimism is usually a good thing, but I'm afraid in this case that optimism is fueling a meat-grinder that's going to get a whole lot of people killed - our troops and Iraqi civilians.

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Posted 30 October 2006 - 05:10 PM

Yeah Democrats do not grandstand. They have solem ceremonies like the Gladstone funeral that helped show the DNC for what it still is today.

They have ignored time and again the advice to not dive to their special interest groups. They refuse to be seen as being anything but weak on national defense. This year it's We need to do it differently and still have no way to explain what they would do.

They do not want to be seen as the cut and run party. Which is all they seem to be but no one dares to call them that.
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Posted 30 October 2006 - 07:41 PM

View PostGodeskian, on Oct 30 2006, 07:39 AM, said:

There's a joke i've been hearing off and on since 2000, with regards to Dick Cheney that goes 'Bush is only one heart attack away from being president'

I find him a very dangerous, worrysome man.

Me too.  Add Dub'ya and Rumsfeld as well.
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Posted 19 November 2006 - 10:35 AM

View PostG1223, on Oct 30 2006, 10:10 PM, said:

Yeah Democrats do not grandstand. They have solem ceremonies like the Gladstone funeral that helped show the DNC for what it still is today.

They have ignored time and again the advice to not dive to their special interest groups. They refuse to be seen as being anything but weak on national defense. This year it's We need to do it differently and still have no way to explain what they would do.

They do not want to be seen as the cut and run party. Which is all they seem to be but no one dares to call them that.

I'm all for cutting and running, if that's what you want to call it.

I support making amends, realizing that we are the invaders and aggressors in Iraq, and refraining from acting similiarly in the future.

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 05:29 PM

You know the first time I saw that title I thought it meant the President needed to beware of Cheney.

As for finishing things in Iraq, I always thought we should have done that 15 years ago.

Oh and I'm once more seeing the use of both "Republicans" and "Democrats" more broadly than I thought we wanted to here.
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Posted 19 November 2006 - 05:33 PM

Cheney is a scary guy, he seems to be the shadow President instead of the VP. The fact that he simply won't deal with reality makes him a dangerous man.
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Posted 20 November 2006 - 04:41 PM

View PostG1223, on Oct 30 2006, 05:10 PM, said:

Yeah Democrats do not grandstand. They have solem ceremonies like the Gladstone funeral that helped show the DNC for what it still is today.

They have ignored time and again the advice to not dive to their special interest groups. They refuse to be seen as being anything but weak on national defense. This year it's We need to do it differently and still have no way to explain what they would do.

They do not want to be seen as the cut and run party. Which is all they seem to be but no one dares to call them that.



Don't forget that they won the House and Senate this time around, without having to resort to funny numbers counting in Fla. and Ohio.








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They do not want to be seen as the cut and run party. Which is all they seem to be but no one dares to call them that.

Watch the news some time, they have been calling Democrats that for a long time now.
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Posted 23 November 2006 - 05:12 AM

View PostG1223, on Oct 30 2006, 02:10 PM, said:

Yeah Democrats do not grandstand. They have solem ceremonies like the Gladstone funeral that helped show the DNC for what it still is today.

They have ignored time and again the advice to not dive to their special interest groups. They refuse to be seen as being anything but weak on national defense. This year it's We need to do it differently and still have no way to explain what they would do.

They do not want to be seen as the cut and run party. Which is all they seem to be but no one dares to call them that.

Nobody dares to call them that but you, and almost every Republican running for office and used that phrase, plus the President, Vice President and their cronies.

Let's see how many times you've used the phrase "cut and run" of late:

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But since the dems always cut and run why even bother trying to stay. Their leadership has said one thing and their rank and file another. But since the dems always cut and run why even bother trying to stay. Their leadership has said one thing and their rank and file another.

Cait I am agreeing lets get out. Afterwards we can hear the demos say "Well if you had stayed we might have fixed it." You voted these guys in on the cut and run idea so lets give you want you want.


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Which is? Cutting and running. Not retreat but give up. Not lets send in enough troops to settle the situation down and then work out a solution.

Then you jump on me for pointing out that the plan cutting and running.

You know this is why democrats are not great on nation defense.

In this thread, LoP used the phrase:
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But I am worried about how Iraq will now be handled. I am afraid that the Democrats may follow Bush' s error with a bigger one of their own. THAT bothers me. Cut and run will destabilize the area as well as pushing the US's reputation and trust way back.

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Yeah we need that organization to lead the way. Why not just cut and run that is what they keep demanding. "We need a timetable to withdraw." Why not next week. The leadership has harped for it so lets give it too them.

OR was it cut and run when they were not in power? That seems to be the reason for the change of messages here. "Now that we are in pwoer we need to stay the course" seems to be the new mantra. I guess we can wait to see the DNC donkey show of military operations to show us what they cannot do.

Then Mark gets his licks in:

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Mark: I call leaving in 4 to 6 months cut and run. Don't you?

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I voted because I support the war on terror and our being in Iraq. I support the troops and know that the DNC will start Operation: Cut and Run ,as soon as they can.

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Sorry I just see this as a step backward and is going to get us a cut and run party that only will stand when the cliff is behind them and if that means selling off their allies so be it.

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Well first it will be operation: cut and run. Then operation slash and dash.

That is where the book out of Iraq and then cut defense for all the social programs. And when we lose all the tech edges that give us a chance scream how it's the republicans fault.

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Yes lets have no Sec. Def and instead have the defense commitee run the war. I am sure a comittee will be better. At least for the cut and run plan. Operation Enduring Evac can get off the ground.

It would seem, therefore, that everybody "dares" to call the Dems that. And that's just a few threads back.

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 09:02 AM

View PostKosh, on Nov 20 2006, 04:41 PM, said:

Don't forget that they won the House and Senate this time around, without having to resort to funny numbers counting in Fla. and Ohio.

I don't know about that we still have one undecided race here in Ohio.

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Posted 23 November 2006 - 06:53 PM

Fla too, but not on the scale we've seen in the past.
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