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#1 Godeskian

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Posted 05 November 2006 - 05:18 AM

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Former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has been convicted of crimes against humanity by a Baghdad court and sentenced to death by hanging.

He was found guilty over his role in the killing of 148 people in the mainly Shia town of Dujail in 1982.

His half brother Barzan al-Tikriti was also sentenced to death, as was Iraq's former chief judge Awad Hamed al-Bander

Honestly? Anything less than the death penalty would have been a surprise.

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Posted 05 November 2006 - 06:50 AM

Mark: Still not so sure it's a good idea, even though he deserves the death penalty 10x over.  :unsure:
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 07:35 AM

And Mark what else could be given? Life in Prison? His crimes merited death to give him less would make a mockery of justice.

If only the so called World Court would give this out to Milosivich. They are going to take the next decade to work out the case and then ,after looking like a group of toothless old men, sentence that mass murderer in jail the last few years of his life as he chuckles over the thousands of deaths he directed  to be done or simply did not care for the actions of his followers.
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 08:17 AM

Well I'm not trying to downsize what he's done because he was a very, very bad person, but I've met Iraqi people who had to flee Iraq when they got invaded who told me he was an awful leader, but they still had it better with him than they do now.
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 08:47 AM

You mean the Marsh Arabs who were looking at extinction under Saddam had it better? The Kurds were being gassed under a kinder more gentle tyrant?

Damm with that reasoning Hitler was not that bad a guy. He and Saddam dealt with those who opposed them in the same way. They killed them.
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 08:55 AM

I see then that the Godwin law works faster in some threads than in others.

By now you lot MUST all know that I am against this, for me, the death penalty makes a mockery of justice. But let's not go over all that again, eh?

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Posted 05 November 2006 - 08:58 AM

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G: If only the so called World Court would give this out to Milosivich. They are going to take the next decade to work out the case and then ,after looking like a group of toothless old men, sentence that mass murderer in jail the last few years of his life as he chuckles over the thousands of deaths he directed to be done or simply did not care for the actions of his followers.

Isn't Milosevic dead? I know the World Court didn't execute him, but I think he took an overdose while imprisoned. And didn't the GOP think it was wrong to overthrow Milosevic? (Serious question: I don't really recall the specifics but I do recall hearing a lot of resistance from some Republican leaders who thought that we shouldn't intervene in other countries' affairs. In fact, when Bush was running in 2000, one of his platforms was no "nation-building.")

Back to the topic, I'm personally fine with Saddam being sentenced to death. The problem, though, is that this is likely to inflame an already overheated conflict between Sunnis and Shiites. I guess I'm more worried about now and the future.

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Posted 05 November 2006 - 09:07 AM

View PostG1223, on Nov 5 2006, 01:47 PM, said:

You mean the Marsh Arabs who were looking at extinction under Saddam had it better? The Kurds were being gassed under a kinder more gentle tyrant?

Damm with that reasoning Hitler was not that bad a guy. He and Saddam dealt with those who opposed them in the same way. They killed them.

There aren't any innocents, no. That's the whole point. People have got to drop the "we're so good, they're so bad," thing.

Yes, Saddam Hussein is a very dangerous, and evil man. That doesn't automatically make whoever opposes him good.
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 10:22 AM

View PostG1223, on Nov 5 2006, 12:35 PM, said:

If only the so called World Court would give this out to Milosivich. They are going to take the next decade to work out the case and then ,after looking like a group of toothless old men, sentence that mass murderer in jail the last few years of his life as he chuckles over the thousands of deaths he directed  to be done or simply did not care for the actions of his followers

You are aware that Slobodan Milosovec has been dead since March 11th when he was found dead  in his cell right?

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Posted 05 November 2006 - 10:24 AM

View PostSpectacles, on Nov 5 2006, 01:58 PM, said:

Back to the topic, I'm personally fine with Saddam being sentenced to death. The problem, though, is that this is likely to inflame an already overheated conflict between Sunnis and Shiites. I guess I'm more worried about now and the future.

Does his death make life better? Does it bring the people he killed back to life? Does it undo decades of atrocities under his rule?

Shrug, killing him doesn't seem to achieve a great deal except to make those who want a pound of flesh to feel better.

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Posted 05 November 2006 - 11:20 AM

^I don't know about that.  Justice means balancing out the scales.  I'm all for criminals not only going to jail, but paying recompense to the offended party.  Hussein murdered thousands in cold blood without ever shedding a tear for what he's done.  He even defended his own actions in open court--which, in the US, would be akin to suicide.  In all, he took what everyone considers to be the most precious thing in this world.  But, if the scales are to be balanced and justice truly done, he needs to pay with most precious thing to him--his own life.  It's not something I take lightly; dishing out the death penalty is serious business.  And to all those who say, "We should make every effort to ensure that the condemned is truly guilty."  I say this:  You want certainty?  With Hussein, it's damn near 100% certain.  You can't have a better candidate.

It's not about the pound of flesh in this man's case.  He wronged civilized society and humanity at large.  He can't get off lightly.

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Posted 05 November 2006 - 11:50 AM

The scariest thing though, is that while Saddam does probably deserve what he'll get and a lot more, how do you know the reason behind his death penalty has less to do with that and more with sympathy and publicity, trying to look like "the good guy"?
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 01:08 PM

I wonder whatever happened to the gallows from Nuremberg...   I'm surprised that he hasn't tried to demand a firing squad yet though it may not have sunk in to that degree yet.

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By now you lot MUST all know that I am against this, for me, the death penalty makes a mockery of justice. But let's not go over all that again, eh?
The decision to have Saddam hang or not should be left up  to the Iraqi people.  I think it would be rather pretentious of us to state that we should have some say in what his sentance should be.  They were the ones whop suffered under him so they should decide his fate.

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Gode: Does his death make life better? Does it bring the people he killed back to life? Does it undo decades of atrocities under his rule?
It ends the thing that Saddam values the most.  His life.
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 01:20 PM

View PostGodeskian, on Nov 5 2006, 10:22 AM, said:

View PostG1223, on Nov 5 2006, 12:35 PM, said:

If only the so called World Court would give this out to Milosivich. They are going to take the next decade to work out the case and then ,after looking like a group of toothless old men, sentence that mass murderer in jail the last few years of his life as he chuckles over the thousands of deaths he directed  to be done or simply did not care for the actions of his followers

You are aware that Slobodan Milosovec has been dead since March 11th when he was found dead  in his cell right?

Yes and I know he cheated justice. That court would have put him a jail cell for the remainder of his life. Which is something he cut short on his victims.


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Posted 05 November 2006 - 01:24 PM

View PostGodeskian, on Nov 5 2006, 10:24 AM, said:

Does his death make life better? Does it bring the people he killed back to life? Does it undo decades of atrocities under his rule?

Shrug, killing him doesn't seem to achieve a great deal except to make those who want a pound of flesh to feel better.

Then the Nazi's leaders who were put to death for all the mass killings they ordered and oversaw did not deserve it? We should have done nothing for the excesses  that were comitted?

There are reasons to put men to death and one of them is why Saddam is going to get hanged.
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 01:41 PM

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The decision to have Saddam hang or not should be left up to the Iraqi people. I think it would be rather pretentious of us to state that we should have some say in what his sentance should be. They were the ones whop suffered under him so they should decide his fate.

I'll be honest here and say I don't understand how this relates to what you quoted of me. Sorry :unsure:

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Yes and I know he cheated justice. That court would have put him a jail cell for the remainder of his life. Which is something he cut short on his victims.

I will be pleased when the rope goes taut on Saddam.


Is it just me or is this a contradiction? Milosovec cheated his victims by killing himself. Preseumably therefore, you're implying better justice would have been served if he had rotted in a cell for years on end. Saddam Hussein on the other hand is ALLOWED to cheat his victims by going straight to the death penalty and NOT rotting in a cell. That makes no sense.

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Then the Nazi's leaders who were put to death for all the mass killings they ordered and oversaw did not deserve it?

Talking about Nazis will not make me any less opposed to the death penalty. It's not about what people deserve. The death penalty is wrong no matter to whom you apply it. You're either on their level or you are not.

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Posted 05 November 2006 - 01:50 PM

No the better justice is too let those who commit crimes against humanity know that they can be put to death. We did it with the leaders of the third reich because their crimes were too serious to not put them to death?
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 01:58 PM

View PostCJ AEGIS, on Nov 5 2006, 10:08 AM, said:

The decision to have Saddam hang or not should be left up  to the Iraqi people.  I think it would be rather pretentious of us to state that we should have some say in what his sentance should be.  They were the ones whop suffered under him so they should decide his fate.

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Posted 05 November 2006 - 03:49 PM

It woud be most fitting if the scum-bag was executed slowly by one of his own methods he executed countless others.  None of this "mercy" crap.  He isn't worthy of that.
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Posted 05 November 2006 - 04:47 PM

View PostSpidey, on Nov 5 2006, 08:49 PM, said:

It woud be most fitting if the scum-bag was executed slowly by one of his own methods he executed countless others.  None of this "mercy" crap.  He isn't worthy of that.

And then we become like him. The only difference we'd be doing it because it was 'justice' while he did it because he was a 'monster'. Beware about staring into the abyss, it has a tendency to stare back.

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