Anastashia, on Dec 22 2006, 02:07 PM, said:
ScottEVill, on Dec 22 2006, 09:50 AM, said:
Anastashia, on Dec 21 2006, 11:35 PM, said:
No Lil I'm just saying that if she wasn't where she was she wouldn't have gotten hurt, that's a fact that no one can argue with.
Uh, no. You're talking about the difference of "five or six feet," as I said up-thread.
Doubtful it was five or six feet, I don't know why you keep bringing up that number.
During the interview, Robarge described the scene
. He said a podium had been set up on the steps of City Hall and there were about 20 or 30 feet of space around it. Anti-gay marriage supporters gathered in a half circle around the podium. The buffer zone about five or six feet separated them from the group of pro-equality supporters, also gathered in a half circle.
why I keep bringing up that number.
Anastashia, on Dec 21 2006, 08:33 PM, said:
I went to your originally linked site. I saw no statements from any other witnesses.
The victim, Sarah Loy, 27, along with multiple witnesses
, say Cirignano shoved Loy after she ventured into the VoteOnMarriage crowd holding a MassEquality sign, and as he pushed her toward the outer perimeter of the VoteOnMarriage crowd she fell backwards onto the pavement.
Yes they say multiple witnesses but there's nothing from those witnesses. The other side says they have witnesses that he didn't push her. So we're no where there.
This article (and the Boston Globe article, and others) indicate that there are "multiple witnesses" who support the allegation that Cirignano knocked her down. If there are witnesses who say otherwise -- besides Cirignano, and let's remember that he's already contradicted himself
-- then I haven't seen those reports. Would you care to post those links?
Let's see other things you said and and I can no longer deal with the nested quotes. Conspiracy theory and making her the same as a rape victim who might have dressed provocatively. Yes maybe it is a conspiracy, as Banapis has stated also there's ample evidence of that type of activity by the ACLU.
So she somehow goaded him into attacking her? Yep--Definitely a conspiracy theory.
As for the dressing. No it's not the same. Loy took a specific action that she didn't have to in making her point.
A woman dressing in an especially suggestive way didn't have
to do so, either. In both cases, the crux of the argument is the same: blame the victim.
She could just have easily made it by staying with the counter demonstrators.
"5 to 6 feet away." Why you keep insisting that would've made a difference, I don't understand. There were other protestors closer
to the podium (e.g., witness Robarge, above), and Cirignano didn't attack them.
He went after her.
Why do you suppose that is, Ani? Is this another facet of the conspiracy?
Or did he pick her because she's a woman, and therefore less of a threat?
cj aegis said:
Just as fanatical, just as full of hate, and just as dangerous to the innocent people caught in the middle. My fear is the gay rights movement and the radical religious movements are both going to destroy each other in their hatred and the rest of us are along for the ride. Both are absolutely convinced of their moral superiority to the point of rabid fanaticism. Eventually the fanatics start to take lives once they say, “I’m no longer even willing to consider a compromise”.
I have never heard of even one incident where a supporter of gay rights assaulted
someone on the other side of this issue. Unfortunately, assaults by anti-gay people on those they perceive to be gay are all too common
So how you can honestly equate the two sides here, I'll never understand.