


Saddam Hussein To Die in 30 Days
#41
Posted 29 December 2006 - 01:18 AM

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#43
Posted 29 December 2006 - 10:15 AM
Spidey, on Dec 29 2006, 12:35 AM, said:
Why waste the rope? Or the wood? By your logic, someone could just strangle him. Or beat him to death. Right? Isn't that how America should be doing things?
Digital Man, on Dec 28 2006, 09:18 PM, said:
CJ AEGIS, on Dec 28 2006, 09:01 PM, said:
SparkyCola, on Dec 27 2006, 08:35 PM, said:
It'd be a interesting learning experience on how the real world operates. And that the world really isn't warm, cuddly, or nice. That some people do forfeit their right to life.
Well, having witnessed 9/11 first-hand-the greatest mass murder in American history-I understand what kind of horror those victims of Saddam must have gone through. I could have died on 9/11 myself. Had those terrorists employed any other method than a suicide dive into the towers, resulting in the same amount of people killed, you're damn straight I'd be calling for the hangman.

Saddam may be a human being-but he's also vermin.
Is the death penalty horrific? Sure it is. That's exactly the point. Let the killer know the fear his/her victims felt. If that makes me a cold s.o.b-fine by me. I'm not out to win popularity contests.
Seeing 9/11 first-hand solidified this POV permanently.

Odd. If anything, seeing 9/11 first-hand solidified my anti-death penalty POV permanently. That is, it made me feel even more strongly that our response to this act of war should not be to turn around and toss our own values out the window -- because, if we did that, the terrorists would already have won.
That, in addition to the fact that the death penalty as a deterrent doesn't work -- particularly for people like Saddam, who already live day to day with the fear of execution/assassination.
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#45
Posted 29 December 2006 - 11:08 AM
ScottEVill, on Dec 29 2006, 10:15 AM, said:
That, in addition to the fact that the death penalty as a deterrent doesn't work -- particularly for people like Saddam, who already live day to day with the fear of execution/assassination.
The only thing I will agree with is this-Bush was looking for revenge, to somehow appease the American people for the 9/11 attacks. The problem is, he was focusing on the wrong person-Saddam. Bush opened a Pandora's Box when he got Americans involved with Iraq.
The death penalty is something I don't take lightly. If, under whatever guidelines being used, a prisoner has been proven without a shadow of a doubt that he is eligible for execution, then that sentence must be carried out. I have heard of innocent people being executed-and yes, that is terrible. Something really needs to be done to rectify that.

I don't take any pleasure in being for the death penalty-but unfortunately, I see it as a necessity. And it's cool that we agree to disagree on that.

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#46
Posted 29 December 2006 - 12:23 PM
We will have to feed him for however long he lives. We will have to see to his basic human rights (No Solitary confinement without just cause. ) We will need to continue to provide some level of support for the man.
If we put him to death that all ends. That money can go to anything else. Schools,Feeding the hungry,Hiring more police officers, Improving health services to the rest of us.
Why is the murders life worth so much? That we need to be punished for his being allowed to live.
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#47
Posted 29 December 2006 - 12:52 PM
CJ AEGIS, on Dec 29 2006, 02:01 AM, said:
Either support the death penalty or you don't understand how the world works? Utter rubbish, and dismissive of other viewpoints that borders on arrogant. It is perfectly possible to understand quite well how the world is put together without wanting the death penalty to be part of it.
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#48
Posted 29 December 2006 - 12:57 PM
G1223, on Dec 29 2006, 05:23 PM, said:
Not worth more, worth exactly the same. The death penalty is state sanctioned murder. It is a goverment saying that they do have the right to murder people, guilty, innocent or otherwise. It proves nothing, it solves nothing, and it only adds yet another body to the pile.
I'm afraid you'll never convince me that more death, even more death untop of untold death already is a good thing. I hope we can agree to disagree on this though, but if not I can live with that.
Defy Gravity!
The Doctor: The universe is big. It's vast and complicated and ridiculous and sometimes, very rarely, impossible things just happen and we call them miracles... and that's a theory. Nine hundred years and I've never seen one yet, but this will do me.
#49
Posted 29 December 2006 - 01:10 PM
Godeskian, on Dec 29 2006, 12:57 PM, said:
G1223, on Dec 29 2006, 05:23 PM, said:
Not worth more, worth exactly the same. The death penalty is state sanctioned murder. It is a goverment saying that they do have the right to murder people, guilty, innocent or otherwise. It proves nothing, it solves nothing, and it only adds yet another body to the pile.
I'm afraid you'll never convince me that more death, even more death untop of untold death already is a good thing. I hope we can agree to disagree on this though, but if not I can live with that.
That's exactly right, Gode -- If murder is so wrong, then how on earth can we justify letting the state put anyone to death, no matter what s/he did? We're letting the government commit the very act that we find so reprehensible in the first place. Worse, they're doing it in our name.
Two wrongs yada yada...
None of this, BTW, is saying anything about war, or what happens on the battlefield. This is about the criminal justice system, and this is about people willfully confusing justice with revenge.
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Posted 29 December 2006 - 01:32 PM
Spectacles, on Dec 28 2006, 06:15 PM, said:
It certainly has. Once the oppressed got into power they turned into the oppressors. Depressing, isn't it?
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#51
Posted 29 December 2006 - 01:34 PM
Godeskian, on Dec 29 2006, 09:57 AM, said:
G1223, on Dec 29 2006, 05:23 PM, said:
Not worth more, worth exactly the same. The death penalty is state sanctioned murder. It is a goverment saying that they do have the right to murder people, guilty, innocent or otherwise. It proves nothing, it solves nothing, and it only adds yet another body to the pile.
I'm afraid you'll never convince me that more death, even more death untop of untold death already is a good thing. I hope we can agree to disagree on this though, but if not I can live with that.
We certainly will.
Murderers deserve to pay a price. We simply disagree on the penalty. You call it murder and I call it a just punishment for a man who's no better than a rabid dog.
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#52
Posted 29 December 2006 - 01:46 PM
Rhea, on Dec 29 2006, 06:34 PM, said:
Murderers deserve to pay a price. We simply disagree on the penalty.
There is that. If it helps, the vast majority of people I know who have commented on it tend to agree with you.
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And it has all the historicall inevitability of a bulldozer. Depressing, but very predictable. Abused people quite often turn into abusers themselves, and with the virtually inneffective Iraqi policeforces meaning that there is no real penalty attached to acting liking animals, they continue to do so.
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#53
Posted 29 December 2006 - 02:05 PM
And tomorrow Eid begins. According to Iraqi law, a person can't be executed on a holiday his religion celebrates. There have been reports that the Iraqi gov't is consulting with clerics to see if it's permissable to execute Saddam during Eid. If not, they'll either have to execute him in the next few hours or wait a few more days. I would imagine they'll go ahead and execute him ASAP. But then, I don't know all the details.
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#54
Posted 29 December 2006 - 07:38 PM
Godeskian, on Dec 29 2006, 12:52 PM, said:
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#55
Posted 29 December 2006 - 07:42 PM
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CJ AEGIS, on Dec 29 2006, 07:38 PM, said:
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And now you'd have the state--which represents us--turn around and do the same: "take the lives of others into their own hands and kill them."
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Yeah, well--There's the rub. No state has ever been able to meet that burden--killing only the guilty.
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#56
Posted 29 December 2006 - 07:45 PM
"Although health care enrollment is actually going pretty well at this point, thousands and maybe millions of Americans have failed to sign up for coverage because they believe the false horror stories they keep hearing." -- Paul Krugman
#57
Posted 29 December 2006 - 08:10 PM
ScottEVill, on Dec 29 2006, 07:42 PM, said:
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So I say again prove how Saddam might be an innocent man and doesn't deserve to hang if that is the burden of your argument against the death penalty in this case? Because ultimately what we are talking about in this thread is Saddam.
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#58
Posted 29 December 2006 - 08:39 PM
However, cruel and unusual punishment is most definitely appropriate for a lot of criminals. Cruel and unusual enough that they might be tempted to suicide. With something available for said purpose that wouldn't also be an avenue of escape. The undeniably guilty of henious crimes should have their lives made hell on earth. No cushy existence, no library and tv and exercise access. Something like the tower of London or Bastille comes to mind.
But if killing another human is wrong, it's wrong in all circumstances. Nothing will change my mind on that.
#59
Posted 29 December 2006 - 10:07 PM
Edited by Digital Man, 29 December 2006 - 10:11 PM.

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#60
Posted 29 December 2006 - 10:12 PM
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