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Iraq Saddam Hussein Execution in 30 days 2006

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Posted 29 December 2006 - 10:13 PM

Still nothing yet on Al Jazeera, the BBC, or Yahoo.
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Posted 29 December 2006 - 10:16 PM

Al Jazeera now has a breaking news headline, repeating that unconfirmed reports are that Saddam is dead.
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Posted 29 December 2006 - 10:21 PM

From Google news:

http://www.telegraph...0/wsaddam30.xml

and Yahoo

http://news.yahoo.com/

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Posted 29 December 2006 - 10:25 PM

Now the BBC reports that Saddam, according to Iraqi TV reports, is dead.
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Posted 29 December 2006 - 10:33 PM

One of Saddam's lawyers confirms the execution, according to CNN.
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Posted 29 December 2006 - 10:47 PM

There are reports that people danced around the body. Video and other pictures have been taken. In Dearborn, Michigan, Shia Americans are celebrating Saddam's death. According to CNN, multiple sources are confirming his death.
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Posted 29 December 2006 - 10:53 PM

Here's some footage....

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Posted 29 December 2006 - 11:02 PM

Bout time. Good riddance.
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Posted 29 December 2006 - 11:38 PM

I look at the death penalty from the side of what it does to us. It diminishes us if we support it. As someone alluded to we become vengeful not advocates of justice.
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Posted 30 December 2006 - 12:11 AM

Did Hussein deserve to die (based on his actions)? Yes.

Do I agree with the death penalty? No.
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Posted 30 December 2006 - 12:59 AM

View PostCaretaker, on Dec 30 2006, 12:11 AM, said:

Did Hussein deserve to die (based on his actions)? Yes.

Do I agree with the death penalty? No.

:blink: :blink:  

Ummmm-no offense intended, but this sounds wishy-washy. You are either for the death penalty or against it. You can't have it both ways.
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Posted 30 December 2006 - 01:02 AM

View PostAnastashia, on Dec 29 2006, 11:38 PM, said:

I look at the death penalty from the side of what it does to us. It diminishes us if we support it. As someone alluded to we become vengeful not advocates of justice.

Um-do me a favor...please don't include me in your "us".  :sarcasm:
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Posted 30 December 2006 - 01:43 AM

View PostDigital Man, on Dec 30 2006, 01:02 AM, said:

View PostAnastashia, on Dec 29 2006, 11:38 PM, said:

I look at the death penalty from the side of what it does to us. It diminishes us if we support it. As someone alluded to we become vengeful not advocates of justice.

Um-do me a favor...please don't include me in your "us".  :sarcasm:

Not a problem DM, of course it's my opinion. What I'm meaning to say though is I want to rise above the place where I want to see someone dead no matter how heinous what they may have done is. Wanting to see them dead makes me IMHO no better than them and that's not what I want for myself. Can I always rise to that level? To be honest I'm not altogether certain, but it certainly seems to me something to strive for.
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Posted 30 December 2006 - 02:49 AM

View PostCaretaker, on Dec 30 2006, 12:11 AM, said:

Did Hussein deserve to die (based on his actions)? Yes.

Do I agree with the death penalty? No.

OK, you're confusing me. On one hand you are saying he deserved death...but on the other that you don't agree with him being put to death. Which is it? Is the death penalty wrong? or not?

Personally, I'm glad the boy is gone.
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Posted 30 December 2006 - 07:54 AM

I guess that's that then.

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 09:23 AM

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Ani: What I'm meaning to say though is I want to rise above the place where I want to see someone dead no matter how heinous what they may have done is. Wanting to see them dead makes me IMHO no better than them and that's not what I want for myself. Can I always rise to that level? To be honest I'm not altogether certain, but it certainly seems to me something to strive for.


On pure principle, I agree with you, Ani. For years I was an opponent of the death penalty on that principle. But whenever I asked myself the Bernie Shaw question--or some variation--I'd have to answer honestly that if anyone brutally murdered anyone I loved, I'd be willing to spend my life in jail to kill the murderer myself. I have an atavistic, unevolved vengeance gene apparently. And that's all the death penalty accomplishes: vengeance. It's not a deterrent. And, most disturbingly, innocent people have been put to death by the state. There are more good reasons for being against the death penalty than for it. Unfortunately, I can't transcend my own "I'll freakin' kill ya myself" nature.

So now Saddam is gone. I only hope that the counter-terrorist expert I saw interviewed on MSNBC is right and the Sunni insurgents are no longer Baathist but Islamist and consequently don't much like Saddam either. If so, his death will be a momentary bright spot for those whose loved ones died at the hands of Saddam's henchmen and the daily violence in Iraq will simply chug along as it's been doing.

The next milestone is about four deaths away: 3000 American troops killed in Iraq. And maybe this will give their families and friends some sense that their deaths haven't been entirely in vain. Maybe not. I guess it depends on how badly they wanted to see Saddam dead.
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Posted 30 December 2006 - 10:53 AM

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Saddam Hussein, the former Iraqi president, has been hanged, Iraqi officials have said.

The execution took place shortly before 6am (03:00 GMT) on Saturday at an Iraqi miltary facility in northern Baghdad.

Iraqi television later showed footage of Saddam being placed in a noose by hangmen, cutting away just before his execution.

The 69-year-old appeared calm, chatting to his hangmen as they wrapped his neck in black cloth and steered him towards the gallows.

Iraqi television later showed footage of his body.

Saddam was convicted last month of the killings of 148 Shias after a failed assassination attempt in 1982.

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 11:14 AM

View PostAnastashia, on Dec 29 2006, 11:38 PM, said:

I look at the death penalty from the side of what it does to us. It diminishes us if we support it. As someone alluded to we become vengeful not advocates of justice.


Then what were we suppose to do?

Keep paying for the next 20 years for the upkeep of a man who had murdered a few people with his own hands and ordered the death of tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of other people?

This man's actions being given life in prison would add insult to his victims grief. Would leave other leaders the idea that if I am caught by Americans they will put me on trial and then I will go to a prison where I will get not a great life but a life none the less. While gleeming skulls of my victims grimly wait for him to die of old age. A thing that not many if any of them got to do.

Saddam's actions merited the penalty. Just like McViegh's did.

Keeping a mass killer alive only shows we let law get in the way of justice.  

When the state takes on the duty of executioner it does so bring a sense of justice to the victim's family.
It does so to main tain an illusion that if you murder someone that this fate may await you.
It does so to protect society from a dangerous person who if allowed loose would kill again and again.
Because sometimes the crime committed is so inhuman that death is the only thing left for the state to do.

See I am a believer that Sometimes Vengence is justice. But I also want a system of courts and juries to deicde the facts of each case. If you remove the DP from the picture all toghere then what are you giving society? Justice? How? You have allowed another person to go on to life in a prison cell where they are guarded 24/7. But they live. They can have limited entertainment. Never saw a bookcase inside a coffin as well as TV. The killer gets time for exercise and other activities. Have they made that jogging path open to caskets yet? Can the dead spot the other guy on the free weights for a few reps? The killer gets a doctor who will give him as much blood as if practical to keep the killer alive. His victim? Never seen a bloodless corpse receive blood from a rapid infuser to keep it going till the bleed can be made to stop?

The only way life in prison works is if the person feels guilt or remorse over their actions. Otherwise it is a waiting room for hell and the killer does not care. If that is the case who is punished? The killer? I kinda doubt it. I think it's the rest of us.
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Posted 30 December 2006 - 11:20 AM

View PostG1223, on Dec 30 2006, 04:14 PM, said:

Would leave other leaders the idea that if I am caught by Americans they will put me on trial and then I will go to a prison where I will get not a great life but a life none the less.

Funny, I thought it was the Iraqi goverment that tried him.

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 11:46 AM

I don't want to be a wet blanket, but I think it's best that the pro-death penalty folks and the anti-death penalty folks just agree to disagree. Otherwise, this thread is going to go on endlessly, and neither side is going to convince the other. We'll just be wasting our time.
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