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#1 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 09:58 PM

OK, did he actually admit to any mistakes? Reason I ask is I turned the channel as soon as the boy said he was sending 20,000 troops more to Iraq. And his whole spiel about Secure, hold, and build is the very same thing Condi said to Congress last year or so...So this was nothing more then Bush saying "Stay the course" And as soon as I realized that, I tuned him out...

Edited by Lord of the Sword, 10 January 2007 - 09:59 PM.

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:18 PM

OK, just turned on the news....naturally they were covering what Bush said. I honestly am at a loss for words...Bush actually threatened Iran and Syria? Good Lord! How many fronts is the boy planning on fighting at once.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:20 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on Jan 10 2007, 06:58 PM, said:

OK, did he actually admit to any mistakes?

Well...

From Yahoo News:

"President Bush acknowledged for the first time Wednesday that he erred by not ordering a military buildup in
Iraq last year and said he was increasing U.S. troops by 21,500 to quell the country's near-anarchy. "Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me," Bush said."
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:36 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on Jan 10 2007, 09:18 PM, said:

OK, just turned on the news....naturally they were covering what Bush said. I honestly am at a loss for words...Bush actually threatened Iran and Syria? Good Lord! How many fronts is the boy planning on fighting at once.

Mark: I didn't hear him specifically threaten Syria, and Iran, but stated that they were helping the Iraqi insurgency, and that their help to the Iraqi insurgents must be stopped.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:39 PM

View PostMark, on Jan 10 2007, 10:36 PM, said:

Mark: I didn't hear him specifically threaten Syria, and Iran, but stated that they were helping the Iraqi insurgency, and that their help to the Iraqi insurgents must be stopped.

Coming from Bush...that's a threat, and it means he's planning on attacking those countries very soon.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:40 PM

Well what he plans isn't a surprise, we got advanced warning last week that this would be what he said in his speech. Let's send 21,000 more young Americans in to be potential targets in an Iraqi civil war. Oh and let's threaten Iran and Syria just for sh*ts and giggles too. I've never thought Bush was playing with a full deck and I worry even more now. His grasp of reality is seriously on vacation.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:43 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on Jan 10 2007, 07:18 PM, said:

OK, just turned on the news....naturally they were covering what Bush said. I honestly am at a loss for words...Bush actually threatened Iran and Syria? Good Lord! How many fronts is the boy planning on fighting at once.

He's taking on the whole world, baby!!!  Yeeeeee-haw!!!!! Don't mess with Texas n' all that stuff. :p :lol:
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:47 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on Jan 10 2007, 07:39 PM, said:

View PostMark, on Jan 10 2007, 10:36 PM, said:

Mark: I didn't hear him specifically threaten Syria, and Iran, but stated that they were helping the Iraqi insurgency, and that their help to the Iraqi insurgents must be stopped.

Coming from Bush...that's a threat, and it means he's planning on attacking those countries very soon.

Not if Pelosi has anything to say about it.  And believe me, she will...just sayin'.

Thankfully, Duh-b'ya is on his last and final year in offfice, and he's going to be a lame duck soon.  So, despite any boasting he may make, he won't get far.

Also, is it true that this proposed increase really isn't as much of a surge as reported?  I say this because I read in my local paper today that it's more like he's bringing back troop numbers we had last year IIRC in the article.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:49 PM

Interesting that nothing was mentioned about Somalia.

And Bush couldn't have looked more uncomfortable.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 10:55 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on Jan 10 2007, 09:39 PM, said:

View PostMark, on Jan 10 2007, 10:36 PM, said:

Mark: I didn't hear him specifically threaten Syria, and Iran, but stated that they were helping the Iraqi insurgency, and that their help to the Iraqi insurgents must be stopped.

Coming from Bush...that's a threat, and it means he's planning on attacking those countries very soon.

Mark:
I don't think we'll attack them militarily...more than likely Bush will use sanctions, and the like, if diplomacy to those two countries fails to achieve our objectives.

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 11:02 PM

View PostSpidey, on Jan 10 2007, 10:47 PM, said:

Also, is it true that this proposed increase really isn't as much of a surge as reported?  I say this because I read in my local paper today that it's more like he's bringing back troop numbers we had last year IIRC in the article.

It's true. With the 20k troop surge, it just about equals what was deployed in Iraq awhile back...so I don't see how bringing them back will be any different then last time.

I swear, Bush is more and more like a child then ever before...a stubborn idiotic, child. Was going to say mentally challenged child, but mentally challenged children have more intelligence then Bush.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 11:04 PM

Bush's Speech said:

This begins with addressing Iran and Syria. These two regimes are allowing terrorists and insurgents to use their territory to move in and out of Iraq. Iran is providing material support for attacks on American troops. We will disrupt the attacks on our forces. We will interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria. And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq.

That's a threat.  I'm sure he meant it to be one too.

I don't know what Congress can do to stop the Iraq surge, but they should draft legislation *now* to requiring Congressional authorization for any strikes beyond the borders of Iraq.  One problem with this supposed "War on Terrorism" is that the President can claim it takes him anywhere on the planet.  That is a blank check we can't afford to cash.  

The political truth is, we can't be bombing every nation on the planet just because we think there is a terorist cell there.  We will turn every nation against us, and while we may be the most powerful nation on this planet, we are not powerful enough to make war on EVERYONE else.

Found an interesting article that seems relevant regarding possible expansion into Iran and Syria by comparing it to the expansion into Cambodia.

http://www.walrusmag...-over-cambodia/

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If the Cambodian experience teaches us anything, it is that miscalculation of the consequences of civilian casualties stems partly from a failure to understand how insurgencies thrive. The motives that lead locals to help such movements donít fit into strategic rationales like the ones set forth by Kissinger and Nixon. Those whose lives have been ruined donít care about the geopolitics behind bomb attacks; they tend to blame the attackers. The failure of the American campaign in Cambodia lay not only in the civilian death toll during the unprecedented bombing, but also in its aftermath, when the Khmer Rouge regime rose up from the bomb craters, with tragic results. The dynamics in Iraq could be similar.ē

If Bush plans to expand the Iraq War into Iran and Syria, we can probably look forward to the same kind of radicalizing [of civilians who might join] insurgents and terrorists that occurred in Cambodia and we all know what that brought that region.

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 11:05 PM

View PostMark, on Jan 10 2007, 07:55 PM, said:

View PostLord of the Sword, on Jan 10 2007, 09:39 PM, said:

View PostMark, on Jan 10 2007, 10:36 PM, said:

Mark: I didn't hear him specifically threaten Syria, and Iran, but stated that they were helping the Iraqi insurgency, and that their help to the Iraqi insurgents must be stopped.

Coming from Bush...that's a threat, and it means he's planning on attacking those countries very soon.

Mark:
I don't think we'll attack them militarily...more than likely Bush will use sanctions, and the like, if diplomacy to those two countries fails to achieve our objectives.

Bush use diplomacy?  Use sanctions?  When has he ever used those methods to achieve a goal?  I think you are confusing him with a real President.

Edited by Cait, 10 January 2007 - 11:06 PM.

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 11:12 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on Jan 10 2007, 08:02 PM, said:

View PostSpidey, on Jan 10 2007, 10:47 PM, said:

Also, is it true that this proposed increase really isn't as much of a surge as reported?  I say this because I read in my local paper today that it's more like he's bringing back troop numbers we had last year IIRC in the article.

It's true. With the 20k troop surge, it just about equals what was deployed in Iraq awhile back...so I don't see how bringing them back will be any different then last time.

I swear, Bush is more and more like a child then ever before...a stubborn idiotic, child. Was going to say mentally challenged child, but mentally challenged children have more intelligence then Bush.

Thanks.

Yep, despite all of his Military brass telling him otherwise, he just does the opposite.  :angry:

View PostCait, on Jan 10 2007, 08:04 PM, said:

Bush's Speech said:

This begins with addressing Iran and Syria. These two regimes are allowing terrorists and insurgents to use their territory to move in and out of Iraq. Iran is providing material support for attacks on American troops. We will disrupt the attacks on our forces. We will interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria. And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq.

That's a threat.  I'm sure he meant it to be one too.

Ditto that.

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I don't know what Congress can do to stop the Iraq surge, but they should draft legislation *now* to requiring Congressional authorization for any strikes beyond the borders of Iraq.  One problem with this supposed "War on Terrorism" is that the President can claim it takes him anywhere on the planet.  That is a blank check we can't afford to cash.
I think the PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA should do something NOW.

IMPEACH BUSH!!!  Or at the very least, revolt by writing Congress to stop the madness.

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The political truth is, we can't be bombing every nation on the planet just because we think there is a terorist cell there.  We will turn every nation against us, and while we may be the most powerful nation on this planet, we are not powerful enough to make war on EVERYONE else.

Well, damn...you're no fun. :(

Just kidding.  :D  {{{{{Cait}}}}}}  I agree with you.

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Found an interesting article that seems relevant regarding possible expansion into Iran and Syria by comparing it to the expansion into Cambodia.

http://www.walrusmag...-over-cambodia/

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If the Cambodian experience teaches us anything, it is that miscalculation of the consequences of civilian casualties stems partly from a failure to understand how insurgencies thrive. The motives that lead locals to help such movements donít fit into strategic rationales like the ones set forth by Kissinger and Nixon. Those whose lives have been ruined donít care about the geopolitics behind bomb attacks; they tend to blame the attackers. The failure of the American campaign in Cambodia lay not only in the civilian death toll during the unprecedented bombing, but also in its aftermath, when the Khmer Rouge regime rose up from the bomb craters, with tragic results. The dynamics in Iraq could be similar.ē

If Bush plans to expand the Iraq War into Iran and Syria, we can probably look forward to the same kind of radicalizing [of civilians who might join] insurgents and terrorists that occurred in Cambodia and we all know what that brought that region.

It may be a whole lot worse though.  The middle east is the mother of all hot-beds, and the logs are piling on.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 11:26 PM

And you know what else this is doing?  It is motivating the Anit-War/Socialist movement here.  If you think you've seen Liberals over the past decade, think again.  You haven't lived until you've seen REAL liberals organize.

http://answer.pephos...=...cle&id=8137

So, now there's a March on the Pentagon March 17, 2007.  And not everyone on the "endorsers" list is a nut case.

Here we go...again!!  

Elected officials really should listen to the voters.  It's so much calmer in the streets when they do.

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 11:45 PM

I called Somalia the minute I heard that the Ethiopian Army all by itself decided to move on a regime it had feared but tolerated for six months.  Yep, there were quite a few US special forces helping that successful Ethiopian offensive, and I'm sure many nice shiny new weapons straight from Washington.  Now, I think this was another Taliban waiting to happen and getting in on the ground floor to chase them out while there were legitimate factions on our side to take the point made a lot of sense.  But I always knew this was our move, not the Ethiopians.'

And it's no good to impeach Bush unless you impeach Cheney.  But first the Congress has to get a spine, forbid the president to go to war, and call the Constitutional question when he asserts executive privilege to ignore them.  I don't think either party has the balls to do that.  All we can do is wait till 08 and hope our country isn't totally screwed by this recklessness at that point.

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 11:51 PM

View PostCait, on Jan 10 2007, 08:26 PM, said:

And you know what else this is doing?  It is motivating the Anit-War/Socialist movement here.  If you think you've seen Liberals over the past decade, think again.  You haven't lived until you've seen REAL liberals organize.

http://answer.pephos...=...cle&id=8137

So, now there's a March on the Pentagon March 17, 2007.  And not everyone on the "endorsers" list is a nut case.

That's a loooong list...

Here we go...again!!  

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Posted 11 January 2007 - 12:02 AM

View PostCardie, on Jan 10 2007, 08:45 PM, said:

And it's no good to impeach Bush unless you impeach Cheney.  But first the Congress has to get a spine, forbid the president to go to war, and call the Constitutional question when he asserts executive privilege to ignore them.  I don't think either party has the balls to do that.  All we can do is wait till 08 and hope our country isn't totally screwed by this recklessness at that point.

Which, hopefully, will force us all to pay more attention to VP nominations in the furture.

Let's also hope that the people who elected those spineless Senators and Representatives don't take their dissatisfaction into the streets because their elected choices don't have the balls to represent the will of those who elected them.  

This more than a Constitutional showdown between the Executive Branch and the Legislative Branch, it could be a showdown between the people and politicians in general.  Both political parties could be signing their death warrants.  Two years is a long time in this kind of climate and while hard Party liners might be happy to wait for 08, Independents are fed UP.

The people have a right to be heard and represented.  We spoke when we voted.  Now Congress [both sides of the aisle] want to play it safe for 08.   :rolleyes:  Bush will hang on as a lame duck "decider" and dump it on the next President, and Congress will run blaming Bush.  Meanwhile *we* pay for it all.

That's not what *I* voted for.

I think sometimes we forget that we are still in charge once the ballots are counted.  We have a right to be heard.  They are *our* voice.  If none of them have the spine to do that, then they can all be replaced as far as I'm concerned, and we'll find people who can do it.

*sigh* OK, OK, [calmer now] let's hope they don't screw us to bad we don't' recover in my lifetime.

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Posted 11 January 2007 - 12:07 AM

Impeachment doesn't necessarily mean he's ousted.

Problem is he probably won't stick around to find out.

But accountability on many factors must be taken and that includes things from the VP's camp.

March 17th eh.  Hmmmm ST. Paddy's day...well now if that's not significant...hmmm
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 12:24 AM

View PostHibblette, on Jan 10 2007, 09:07 PM, said:

Impeachment doesn't necessarily mean he's ousted.

Problem is he probably won't stick around to find out.

But accountability on many factors must be taken and that includes things from the VP's camp.

March 17th eh.  Hmmmm ST. Paddy's day...well now if that's not significant...hmmm

Okay, how about a resignation effective immediately?
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