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#21 Captain Jack

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 12:25 AM

View PostOrpheus, on Jan 14 2007, 06:16 AM, said:

The work of art we actually used is courtesy of D.Rabbit, Artistic Rescuer Extraordinaire. Thanks, D.!
The work of art we actually used is courtesy of D.Rabbit, Artistic Rescuer Extraordinaire. Thanks, D.!
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^Looks more like the when I just used the restroom.  whew, talk about WMD's.  LOL :D :barf:

Great artwork.  Very cool.

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#22 G1223

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 01:57 AM

View Postsemifluff, on Jan 14 2007, 07:40 PM, said:

So everyone here is celebrating the mass murder of millions of Japanese??  What's next, Pol Pot's wedding anniversary?

Millions? Closer to maybe a half million. Compare that number to the tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives which might have been lost on just the Allies side. And higher numbers of wounded and or crippled soldiers which would be  also expected The cost of saving our own troops lives merited using the bomb,

The Japanese were preparing to defend their home islands to the last drop of blood if need be. Children were being trained to crawl under tanks and explode the bomb strapped to their backs. Women and elderly people being trained to use bamboo spears to attack enmass. All of which would have left the hardened Marines of the march to  Tokyo little choice but to kill anything that moved.

We are talking millions of military and civilian causualties.

So 500,000 or millions of injured and dead the math keeps making the dropping of the bomb the best of opinions.
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 01:59 AM

View PostOrpheus, on Jan 14 2007, 08:29 PM, said:

Not to belabor the point (addressed elsewhere) but this seems a common confusion.

Teller is called the father of the hydrogen (fusion) bomb. The H-bomb was developed many years after the A-bomb (atomic or "fission") bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He left the project before the H-bomb was a reality, and spent most of the rest of his career advocating peaceful uses of nuclear devices, ranging from mega-scale engineering projects to space exploration, testing and setting standards for fission reactor safety, researching and advocating for nuclear fusion, and advocating for air-and space- based missile defense systems. He also co-founded Lawrence Livermore National labs, and made unrelated fundamental discoveries in several fields that have impact in today's technologies, including surface chemistry, nanotech and the quantum mechanics of dyes.  

I don't see how a banner about this Hungarian-born refugee from Nazi Germany celebrates the slaughter of many Japanese civilians. Yes, like many physicists during WWII, he did contribute to the Manhattan Project, but he is no more responsible for the political decision to bomb Japan, or the existence of an A-bomb at all, than many other scientists. He's certainly no Alfred Nobel (of Nobel Prize fame) who personally invented, manufactured and sold dynamite worldwide -- dynamite his company still sells every day for peaceful and military uses, and which has killed far more than all the nuclear devices ever made.

Even if you ignore all his other accomplishments, Teller's H-bombs have never been used on anyone. I won't call him an angel or a peacenik, but most physicians have a higher death toll, even accidental, than Edward Teller.

Besides, as said initially, the banner is a demonstration, not advocacy. It's what my nonartistic mind could come up with as illustration. Today isn't even really Edward Teller's B-day.
And also the reality of needing to drop it.
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#24 SparkyCola

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 11:49 AM

G - regardless of whether or not it was necessary to drop the A-bomb, and regardless of whether or not YOU think that hundreds of thousands of death was necessary - it is STILL hardly something to celebrate. THAT is the point. You might think that putting your dog down is necessary. That doesn't make it a day to celebrate in the years to come. There are far more worthy things to celebrate out there.

For the record this is in response to G's comment and is not about the banner issue. It's already been established that Edward Teller had little to do with that anyway.

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#25 D.Rabbit

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 12:05 PM

If you want to get into the condemnation of celebrations, how about Columbus Day?
Oh please that man murdered countless people in the Caribbean who refused to convert to Christianity.
The fact that there is a day set aside to celebrate that man, disgusts me.

#26 Orpheus

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 01:10 PM

Okay, okay, I take it all back -- we have been hacked.

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 01:32 PM

Who did it?
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#28 Orpheus

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 01:48 PM

Col. Mustard in the Parlor, with an axe.

#29 SparkyCola

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 03:24 PM

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If you want to get into the condemnation of celebrations, how about Columbus Day?
Oh please that man murdered countless people in the Caribbean who refused to convert to Christianity.
The fact that there is a day set aside to celebrate that man, disgusts me.

You guys celebrate Columbus Day? :eh: ...why? :eh:

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#30 Godeskian

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 03:30 PM

Presumably as the discoverer of America (ignoring the vikings mind you)

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 03:31 PM

View PostOrpheus, on Jan 15 2007, 06:48 PM, said:

Col. Mustard in the Parlor, with an axe.


But what was his motive darnit :p

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#32 RommieSG

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 03:53 PM

And where did he get a Clue game with an axe in it?
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 04:28 PM

View PostOrpheus, on Jan 15 2007, 12:10 PM, said:

Okay, okay, I take it all back -- we have been hacked.
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#34 D.Rabbit

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 06:10 PM

View PostSparkyCola, on Jan 15 2007, 03:24 PM, said:

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If you want to get into the condemnation of celebrations, how about Columbus Day?
Oh please that man murdered countless people in the Caribbean who refused to convert to Christianity.
The fact that there is a day set aside to celebrate that man, disgusts me.

You guys celebrate Columbus Day? :eh: ...why? :eh:

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They wanted a holiday between Labor Day and Thanksgiving. Since Columbus was born Oct. 30 th, they celebrate it in the middle of the month.   :blink:

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 06:58 PM

Cluedo was hacked! Is there anything around here that hasn't been hacked?

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Presumably as the discoverer of America (ignoring the vikings mind you)

Pah, yeah right! History was hacked. Leif Eriksson discovered ole Vinland way before that Columbus guy. I'll tell Erik the Red you're ignoring his sons achievements and then you'll be sorry for that bracketed backtracking :p

In fact, probably there were a ton of explorers discovered it before even Leif. But the Vikings bothered to write stuff down. The Spanish just wanna steal all the credit from the Icelanders. :rolleyes:

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:36 PM

View PostRommieSG, on Jan 15 2007, 03:53 PM, said:

And where did he get a Clue game with an axe in it?

You have to ax for it.  :D
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 07:42 PM

View Postfoborg, on Jan 14 2007, 05:37 PM, said:

I'm very upset that there is spoiler in the banner today! You should keep that inside the review thread about the episode!  :ranting:

Did I miss a banner?  The birth of eT's and Bossy's son doesn't refer to any television episode.

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#38 Chipper

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 08:10 PM

^ I think it was a joke. ;)
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#39 Godeskian

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 08:24 PM

Did you notice the highlighted letters when stacked spell out tao? as Tao means 'way', could this be a hint that Bossy and ET are on the right way with James? ;)

Edited by Godeskian, 15 January 2007 - 08:24 PM.

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Posted 15 January 2007 - 09:45 PM

Thank you for noticing the Tao. I made it as obvious as I dared.

I will reward you by restraining the obvious Taoism puns. Wayist puns, on the other hand, are available on request. They have been all too rare in recent years.


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