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Scooter Libby Valerie Plame CIA Leak US Vs. Libby 2007

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#21 MuseZack

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Posted 30 January 2007 - 05:19 PM

So is Ron Rifkin gonna play Scooter in the inevitable TV movie?
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Posted 30 January 2007 - 06:23 PM

Co-starring Barry Corbin as Dick Cheney, of course. . .

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 03:39 PM

http://www.firedoglake.com/

This is a pretty good live-blog of the trial.  It's quicker than news actually, although it is not a transcript, so check other sources too.

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 12:02 AM

The thing that really irks my tail is these people didn't give a frap about fellow Americans and their safety.

This is treasonous.

If any one of us did this...we would be charged with treason.
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#25 Cait

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 08:34 PM

MSNBC

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Russert testifies in Libby perjury trial
Packed court hears NBC newsman deny identifying CIA operative
WASHINGTON - NBC newsman Tim Russert, who drew the biggest audience of Washington's hottest new courtroom reality drama Wednesday when he took the stand, testified against former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby on a key part of his defense.

The host of "Meet the Press" was to be the final government witness in a trial that for three weeks has provided a rare glimpse into the Bush administration and occasionally offered entertainment and gossip for news and political junkies.

Speaking before a packed courtroom, Russert said he never discussed a CIA operative during a July 2003 phone conversation with Libby. Libby has testified that, at the end of the call, Russert brought up war critic Joseph Wilson and mentioned that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA.

Edited by Cait, 07 February 2007 - 08:35 PM.

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#26 Cait

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 04:20 PM

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Russert done; government rests in Libby case
Defense expected to called additional journalists to bolster its case
WASHINGTON - NBC's Tim Russert deflected criticism of his ethics and credibility as the prosecution rested its case Thursday in the trial of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter Libby.

The network journalist got the kind of interrogation he usually gives on his Sunday television show "Meet the Press," as attorneys flashed excerpts of his previous statements on a video monitor and asked him to explain inconsistencies.

Russert, who testified that he never discussed outed CIA operative Valerie Plame with Libby, was the final witness called by Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald.

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#27 Cait

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 06:07 PM

And the Defense begins its case.

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Woodward, Novak testify in Libby perjury trial
Defense attorneys cast Libby as White House scapegoat
WASHINGTON - Some of the nation's best-known journalists testified Monday about news leaks in the Bush administration as attorneys for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby tried to cast the former White House aide as a scapegoat in the CIA case.

Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, is accused of lying and obstructing the investigation into the 2003 leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity.

Using reporters as their first batch of witnesses, Libby's attorneys tried to show that the administration was leaking from several sources. And when Libby had the opportunity to leak himself, they said, he did not.

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Posted 12 February 2007 - 11:52 PM

If Mr. Clinton could rape an intern and get away with it, I think we can put up with a little white lie here.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 11:17 AM

View Postsemifluff, on Feb 12 2007, 11:52 PM, said:

If Mr. Clinton could rape an intern and get away with it, I think we can put up with a little white lie here.



Where do you get Rape. Even Monica never claimed Rape.
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Posted 13 February 2007 - 11:43 AM

Even consentual sex between a boss and an employee (as Bill and Monica were engaged such a professional relationship) is, in some states, referred to as "rape under the color of authority."  As much as it may have been consentual, it was immoral and unethical given the nature of the working relationship.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 11:55 AM

"As much as it may have been consensual?"  LC, you're not willing to wholly and unequivocally admit that both people involved in this gave their consent?  C'mon.

As far as immoral and unethical -- That's as may be, but more than that, it was none of our frakking business.

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Posted 13 February 2007 - 11:57 AM

View PostLost Cause, on Feb 13 2007, 11:43 AM, said:

Even consentual sex between a boss and an employee (as Bill and Monica were engaged such a professional relationship) is, in some states, referred to as "rape under the color of authority."  As much as it may have been consentual, it was immoral and unethical given the nature of the working relationship.


Had Monica screamed Rape, then it would have been a different matter, but no one, not even Clinton's worst enemies ever called it rape.
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Posted 14 February 2007 - 04:30 PM

Not all lies are equal, and to make the claim that they are is nonsense.  Lying about a blow job and lying to go to war are two different things.  I'll still take the moral high road on that one.  No one died because Clinton lied about a blow job.  Bush cannot say the same thing.  

And you can all split the hair that Clinton was under oath and Bush never was, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the POTUS shouldn't be lying to us under any circumstances, especialy when young men and women's lives are at stake.

[Note: There was no rape, although I do agree there was a power dynamic there that skewed consent, but not enough to make it a crime IMHO.]

Now back to Libby...


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Russert may testify again in Libby perjury trial
Return of NBC newsman could extend the case
WASHINGTON - NBC newsman Tim Russert's credibility came under fire in the CIA leak trial Wednesday, and he may be called back to the witness stand.

Russert, who testified last week, is a key witness in the perjury and obstruction case against former vice presidential aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. Attorneys for Libby asked a judge to let them show jurors three video clips that seem to contradict some of Russert's testimony.

If Russert is called back, that could extend the trial. Defense attorneys had planned to rest their case Wednesday.

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Posted 14 February 2007 - 04:47 PM

View PostCait, on Feb 14 2007, 03:30 PM, said:

Not all lies are equal, and to make the claim that they are is nonsense. Lying about a blow job and lying to go to war are two different things. I'll still take the moral high road on that one. No one died because Clinton lied about a blow job. Bush cannot say the same thing.

And you can all split the hair that Clinton was under oath and Bush never was, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the POTUS shouldn't be lying to us under any circumstances, especialy when young men and women's lives are at stake.
But you've just nullified your own argument Cait.  Clinton was the Pres. and he lied, not only to a grand jury, but to the face of the American people.  While you may not believe that all lies are equal, lying under oath, no matter the circumstances, is still perjury.  It doesn't matter if it regards an intern "servicing" her boss or if it's me testifying that I saw John Doe kill Jane Ditz when he didn't.  Perjury is perjury.  "A liar by any other name is still a skunk," to maul Shakespeare.

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 11:55 AM

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Jury in Libby CIA leak case reaches verdict
Decision set to be announced around noon ET

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 11:59 AM

View PostLost Cause, on Feb 14 2007, 01:47 PM, said:

View PostCait, on Feb 14 2007, 03:30 PM, said:

Not all lies are equal, and to make the claim that they are is nonsense. Lying about a blow job and lying to go to war are two different things. I'll still take the moral high road on that one. No one died because Clinton lied about a blow job. Bush cannot say the same thing.

And you can all split the hair that Clinton was under oath and Bush never was, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the POTUS shouldn't be lying to us under any circumstances, especialy when young men and women's lives are at stake.
But you've just nullified your own argument Cait.  Clinton was the Pres. and he lied, not only to a grand jury, but to the face of the American people.  While you may not believe that all lies are equal, lying under oath, no matter the circumstances, is still perjury.  It doesn't matter if it regards an intern "servicing" her boss or if it's me testifying that I saw John Doe kill Jane Ditz when he didn't.  Perjury is perjury.  "A liar by any other name is still a skunk," to maul Shakespeare.

Oops I just saw this.  I agree.  A lie is a lie.  I never said Clinton didn't lie under oath.  What I said is that what Clinton did didn't get anyone killed.  I'm sorry, a lie to protect your own ass, while reprehensible morally, isn't the same kind of outrage as a lie that takes citizens to war to die and be maimed.  And more to the point, if Clinton was impeached for his lie, why should Bush be allowed to serve in office when his lie has killed people?

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#37 Cait

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 12:10 PM

Libby found guilty on four of five charges in CIA leak case.

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 12:22 PM

So what's likely to happen to him now? (other than the inevitable pardon Bush will give him when he leaves office)

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 12:24 PM

Guilty guilty guilty guilty!  :)  :)  :)

Libby verdict

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 12:27 PM

View PostLost Cause, on Feb 14 2007, 04:47 PM, said:

View PostCait, on Feb 14 2007, 03:30 PM, said:

Not all lies are equal, and to make the claim that they are is nonsense. Lying about a blow job and lying to go to war are two different things. I'll still take the moral high road on that one. No one died because Clinton lied about a blow job. Bush cannot say the same thing.

And you can all split the hair that Clinton was under oath and Bush never was, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the POTUS shouldn't be lying to us under any circumstances, especialy when young men and women's lives are at stake.
But you've just nullified your own argument Cait.  Clinton was the Pres. and he lied, not only to a grand jury, but to the face of the American people.  While you may not believe that all lies are equal, lying under oath, no matter the circumstances, is still perjury.  It doesn't matter if it regards an intern "servicing" her boss or if it's me testifying that I saw John Doe kill Jane Ditz when he didn't.  Perjury is perjury.  "A liar by any other name is still a skunk," to maul Shakespeare.


But it's Bill and any lie he makes is a good one. No the rain falling on you is yellow because it's  liquid sunshine... Oh wait it's Hilary's turn at the office. My bad.

No if Monica had cried rape. Then we would hear about her being a loose woman and how she made herslef  avilable and Bill was in a moment of extreme weakness. Or some other excuse to pass the blame off onto anyone. Didn't anyone learn anything about the CLinton's.

Lie and keep Lying till the lie becomes the truth. And we can look forward to the possiblity of at least four more years from that from the Sen. from New York. If she gets her way.
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