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#41 Vapor Trails

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 12:33 PM

Nonny,

I heard. Maybe I won't have to hear reporters talk about SCOOTER Libby any more.

Seriously-why the f**k do reporters/anchors keep referring to this guy as SCOOTER?? I was getting more annoyed with this than I was with Anna Nichole Smith!! :angry: That's his freaking NICKNAME! I was getting ready to pull the hair out of my head.  :crazy:

Talk about unprofessional. His name is LEWIS. Hell, I tried doing a search, and couldn't find out why this guy got that silly nickname.  :sarcasm:  :glare:

Hey-maybe the press should call EVERYONE by their nickname in their news reports. Why leave it to just SCOOTER LIBBY???

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Edited by Digital Man, 06 March 2007 - 12:41 PM.

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 12:38 PM

Sorry, Saul, but I think that you'll keep hearing about Scooter.  It's so perfectly dismissive.  :p  

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 12:44 PM

View PostNonny, on Mar 6 2007, 12:38 PM, said:

Sorry, Saul, but I think that you'll keep hearing about Scooter.  It's so perfectly dismissive.  :p  

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I don't know-but hearing THE PRESS do that is akin to scraping your nails across a chalkboard.  :crazy: Most days I love NPR, but after hearing SCOOTER Libby's name mentioned ad nauseam, I was THIS close to throwing my radio out my van onto the highway. :p :p :p

Ugh.  :crazy:

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 12:47 PM

Hey DM, if it helps, the BBC calls him Lewis

http://news.bbc.co.u...cas/6424319.stm

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 12:53 PM

View PostGodeskian, on Mar 6 2007, 12:47 PM, said:

Hey DM, if it helps, the BBC calls him Lewis

http://news.bbc.co.u...cas/6424319.stm

Of course! The BBC is a classy outfit. :p

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 12:59 PM

Headin' to jail with a name like "Scooter."

It might be more merciful just to shoot the poor bastard.  

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 01:07 PM

View PostZwolf, on Mar 6 2007, 12:59 PM, said:

Headin' to jail with a name like "Scooter."

It might be more merciful just to shoot the poor bastard.  

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If news folks want to be REALLY entertaining, maybe they should toot a clown's horn every time they mention the name SCOOTER.  :p :rolleyes:

Hey-at least it would be good for a few chuckles. :p
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Posted 06 March 2007 - 01:25 PM

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If news folks want to be REALLY entertaining, maybe they should toot a clown's horn every time they mention the name SCOOTER.


Or they could just trot this guy out...

Man, it's interesting looking at right wing reaction to this.  This story is like a buglight to conspiracy theorists and hypocrites.   And suddenly lying to a grand jury is no big deal?  

I don't wanna hear eff-all about Clinton ever again.  They've just ceded that right.

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 01:48 PM

Yeah they had a staff member break the law. I mean a staff member is much more important than the President breaking it. Soon Mailman arrest for deliberatly not delivering junk mail will be more damming than President accused of paroling terrorists so wife can win New York Elections.
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Posted 06 March 2007 - 03:05 PM

Oh, hey, check it out - in the world that FOX News reports on (which I believe is where they keep the Golden Age Green Lantern, and where Jay Garrick is the Flash), Libby was found not guilty! :howling:

That guy in the picture, that Britt Hume fella... didn't he used to be a reporter or something, way long time ago?

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 03:36 PM

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Where'd you get that link? Libby was found not guilty on count 3, so the crawl is accurate. They probably alternated between the six charges to show how each one turned out...
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Posted 06 March 2007 - 03:37 PM

View PostCait, on Mar 6 2007, 10:59 AM, said:

View PostLost Cause, on Feb 14 2007, 01:47 PM, said:

View PostCait, on Feb 14 2007, 03:30 PM, said:

Not all lies are equal, and to make the claim that they are is nonsense. Lying about a blow job and lying to go to war are two different things. I'll still take the moral high road on that one. No one died because Clinton lied about a blow job. Bush cannot say the same thing.

And you can all split the hair that Clinton was under oath and Bush never was, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the POTUS shouldn't be lying to us under any circumstances, especialy when young men and women's lives are at stake.
But you've just nullified your own argument Cait. Clinton was the Pres. and he lied, not only to a grand jury, but to the face of the American people. While you may not believe that all lies are equal, lying under oath, no matter the circumstances, is still perjury. It doesn't matter if it regards an intern "servicing" her boss or if it's me testifying that I saw John Doe kill Jane Ditz when he didn't. Perjury is perjury. "A liar by any other name is still a skunk," to maul Shakespeare.

Oops I just saw this. I agree. A lie is a lie. I never said Clinton didn't lie under oath. What I said is that what Clinton did didn't get anyone killed. I'm sorry, a lie to protect your own ass, while reprehensible morally, isn't the same kind of outrage as a lie that takes citizens to war to die and be maimed. And more to the point, if Clinton was impeached for his lie, why should Bush be allowed to serve in office when his lie has killed people?
If concrete evidence (that'll stand up to scrutiny in court or an impeachment) can be presented that Bush fabricated the proof for going to war in Iraq, then it's plenty enough for impeachment.  

However, to say that because Clinton's lie didn't get anyone killed completely demeans the office of President, the top-most person charged with law enforcement in the U.S.  What died when Clinton perjured himself was the law, something just as vastly important as one human life, IMHO.  He violated the very system he was inaugurated to protect and in doing so demeaned the office and the law.  

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 03:52 PM

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Where'd you get that link? Libby was found not guilty on count 3, so the crawl is accurate. They probably alternated between the six charges to show how each one turned out...

I got it on Daily Kos.   That's a possible explanation... but, considering this is the network that listed Mark Foley as a Democrat, I'm not too sure...

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 04:36 PM

View PostZwolf, on Mar 6 2007, 03:05 PM, said:

"FOX News: We Decide, You Concur."

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 08:25 PM

Well, now lets see Armitage get investigated for Actually 'Leaking' Ms Plames name.....

It's what started this whole thing after all.

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 08:30 PM

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Where'd you get that link? Libby was found not guilty on count 3, so the crawl is accurate. They probably alternated between the six charges to show how each one turned out...

I got it on Daily Kos.   That's a possible explanation... but, considering this is the network that listed Mark Foley as a Democrat, I'm not too sure...

Cheers,

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Funny, if it happened on ANY Other network, I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that. Because we all Know that only Fox makes mistakes.  :wacko:

Too bad I don't watch too much TV, maybe I'd make a list of other networks goof and gaffs for you all to puruse.


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View PostG1223, on Mar 6 2007, 04:36 PM, said:

View PostZwolf, on Mar 6 2007, 03:05 PM, said:

"FOX News: We Decide, You Concur."

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How?  I don't find either statement an improvement over the other.

I also don't agree with either statement.

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 09:24 PM

View PostLost Cause, on Mar 6 2007, 12:37 PM, said:

View PostCait, on Mar 6 2007, 10:59 AM, said:

View PostLost Cause, on Feb 14 2007, 01:47 PM, said:

View PostCait, on Feb 14 2007, 03:30 PM, said:

Not all lies are equal, and to make the claim that they are is nonsense. Lying about a blow job and lying to go to war are two different things. I'll still take the moral high road on that one. No one died because Clinton lied about a blow job. Bush cannot say the same thing.

And you can all split the hair that Clinton was under oath and Bush never was, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the POTUS shouldn't be lying to us under any circumstances, especialy when young men and women's lives are at stake.
But you've just nullified your own argument Cait. Clinton was the Pres. and he lied, not only to a grand jury, but to the face of the American people. While you may not believe that all lies are equal, lying under oath, no matter the circumstances, is still perjury. It doesn't matter if it regards an intern "servicing" her boss or if it's me testifying that I saw John Doe kill Jane Ditz when he didn't. Perjury is perjury. "A liar by any other name is still a skunk," to maul Shakespeare.

Oops I just saw this. I agree. A lie is a lie. I never said Clinton didn't lie under oath. What I said is that what Clinton did didn't get anyone killed. I'm sorry, a lie to protect your own ass, while reprehensible morally, isn't the same kind of outrage as a lie that takes citizens to war to die and be maimed. And more to the point, if Clinton was impeached for his lie, why should Bush be allowed to serve in office when his lie has killed people?
If concrete evidence (that'll stand up to scrutiny in court or an impeachment) can be presented that Bush fabricated the proof for going to war in Iraq, then it's plenty enough for impeachment.  

However, to say that because Clinton's lie didn't get anyone killed completely demeans the office of President, the top-most person charged with law enforcement in the U.S.  What died when Clinton perjured himself was the law, something just as vastly important as one human life, IMHO.  He violated the very system he was inaugurated to protect and in doing so demeaned the office and the law.  

Outrage is one thing--and at times it can be a good thing.  But, sometimes we have to check our emotions at the door and examine things equally.  A lie is a lie is a lie is a lie.

I disagree.  All lies are not created equal.  They are not equal because they don't all have the same consequences.  I'm concerned with the consequences of a lie.  That isn't saying that a lie isn't a lie, because all lies are in fact lies.  On that we do not disagree.  

I'm making a distinction on the severity of the consequences of one lie compared to another.. and I'm not saying that the lesser wasn't just as offensive in its own right.

I think you are mistaking my position with the run of the mill "Democratic" position on the Clinton impeachment.  I have no problem with the fact that he was impeached.  He, after all, lied under oath.  That's an impeachable offense, and Congress did its duty.  I support the Constitution and in that case I think it worked.  

However, as far as the consequences of a lie, one that gets people killed as opposed to one that is covering one's political ass can't be compared IMHO.  It's the consequences that I'm looking at, not the one lie is not as bad as another.  

This is a subtle distinction, but one I think has to be made.  Clinton should have been held responsible for his perjury.  I have no problem with that, so please don't misunderstand what I'm saying here.  

That said, others that lie under oath should be held to the same standard, and if the consequences of their lies were *even worse* that Clinton's lie, then it is just as prosecutable.

In law, the concept of 'severity' of a crime, is used all the time in determining legal consequences.  If a lie [perjury] that didn't get anyone killed is offensive to the office of the President, then I should imagine one that got people killed would be too.

And that is my point.

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Posted 06 March 2007 - 11:41 PM

View PostG1223, on Mar 6 2007, 11:27 AM, said:

View PostLost Cause, on Feb 14 2007, 04:47 PM, said:

View PostCait, on Feb 14 2007, 03:30 PM, said:

Not all lies are equal, and to make the claim that they are is nonsense. Lying about a blow job and lying to go to war are two different things. I'll still take the moral high road on that one. No one died because Clinton lied about a blow job. Bush cannot say the same thing.

And you can all split the hair that Clinton was under oath and Bush never was, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the POTUS shouldn't be lying to us under any circumstances, especialy when young men and women's lives are at stake.
But you've just nullified your own argument Cait.  Clinton was the Pres. and he lied, not only to a grand jury, but to the face of the American people.  While you may not believe that all lies are equal, lying under oath, no matter the circumstances, is still perjury.  It doesn't matter if it regards an intern "servicing" her boss or if it's me testifying that I saw John Doe kill Jane Ditz when he didn't.  Perjury is perjury.  "A liar by any other name is still a skunk," to maul Shakespeare.


But it's Bill and any lie he makes is a good one. No the rain falling on you is yellow because it's  liquid sunshine... Oh wait it's Hilary's turn at the office. My bad.

No if Monica had cried rape. Then we would hear about her being a loose woman and how she made herslef  avilable and Bill was in a moment of extreme weakness. Or some other excuse to pass the blame off onto anyone. Didn't anyone learn anything about the CLinton's.

Lie and keep Lying till the lie becomes the truth. And we can look forward to the possiblity of at least four more years from that from the Sen. from New York. If she gets her way.

Uhm-he didn't get away with it.  

Bush is getting away with it.

So...But it's Dubya and any lie he makes is a good one.

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