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#21 QueenTiye

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 09:36 AM

In a city of 8 million - 12 a year dying of stupidity doesn't seem like something to legislate over.

And - in a city that took Guliani's bullying about everything under the sun, but still handed him his head on a platter when he tried to enforce jaywalking laws - its dumb legislation.

The only thing this could possibly be about is increasing city revenues by handing out more tickets.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 09:41 AM

View Postszhismine, on Feb 8 2007, 07:56 AM, said:

how does that translate to 12 people per year? and anyway i doubt that number is consistent. people are also distracted by cellphones when walking, should those be banned when crossing the street too? books? food and drinks? talking with friends? some event on the sidewalk?
Is that people who are driving?  'Cause I've seen people driving do a lot of these stupid things:

Reading
Dressing
Make-Up
Eating
Listening to Radio
Talking W/Passenger
Talking on Cell Phone
Text Messaging

And the list goes on and on and on. . .

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 09:47 AM

Edited to add to LC's post above, that I've seen a single person (different times/people too) doing half of those things all at once.  Who's driving the car?  I dunno, but it might be the dog on their lap.  :lol:

View PostQueenTiye, on Feb 8 2007, 08:36 AM, said:

In a city of 8 million - 12 a year dying of stupidity doesn't seem like something to legislate over.

And - in a city that took Guliani's bullying about everything under the sun, but still handed him his head on a platter when he tried to enforce jaywalking laws - its dumb legislation.

The only thing this could possibly be about is increasing city revenues by handing out more tickets.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 10:43 AM

I don't support this legislation -- Frankly, it's b*llsh*t, and -- as others have noted -- it has no chance at passage.  (And it's very likely unconstitutional.  If I want to listen to my iPod when I commute (and I *do*), then I will.  My choice.  Not the government's.

View PostCheile, on Feb 7 2007, 08:20 PM, said:

i've heard how people in New York drive....like f-ing maniacs on speed.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 11:09 AM

It may be a good idea in theory, because people really shouldn't be wandering around in a dangerous environment when they're not aware of their surroundings.   I know I'd love to cram everybody's frickin' cell-phone straight up their frickin' a.. ban cell-phones in public because I'm sick o' being bumped into by people using them, or slowed down by them as they wander aimlessly like a scrap of garbage adrift on a sewer flow, wandering back and forth along the sidewalk 'cuz their balance is off 'cuz they're pressing something against their head, and they're not aware that they're even in public because Muffy's telling me what she's doin' ("Nothin'!  What're yew doin'?"  "Nothin'!")  so I don't have to master the ooo-scary concept of being alone for even ONE SINGLE FREAKIN' MINUTE!    God help 'em, if that happened, they might actually, I dunno, THINK or something, and then what?

'Scuze me, got off on a maniacal tangent there.  I liked the old days, where you could spot the crazy people because they were the ones talking to themselves.  Now in the age of BlueTooth etc., the crazy people blend right in, and you can't identify them until the scissors or the icepick comes out and then it's too late.   Besides, when did people get so complacent that they stopped feeling any need to watch out for themselves?  Handicapping yourself with distractions is as good as wounded-fish-noises to the sharks out there.  

So, yeah, I'd be happy if aaaaallll that junk disappeared from public situations.  But (A) I'm not thrilled about government trying to enforce personal choice issues, even ones I'd personally love to happen, and (B) how is this mickey-mouse monkeymess even remotely enforceable?  Do they really think police are going to play "hall monitor" and check pedestrians for iPods?   There's enough heavier crime going down in NYC, and I'd much rather they focus on cracking down on that rather than checking for headphones, seeing if people are chewing gum when they didn't bring enough for everybody, or whatever the next fiasco's gonna be...

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 11:09 AM

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i've heard how people in New York drive....like f-ing maniacs on speed.

^I'm with Scott on the  :eh:  factor on that comment.  

Ever driven regularly in TX, Cheile?  I remember when I lived in La., the bleed over of TX drivers into W. La. prompted me to make the joke,

"How do you know you're driving too fast?  When you've passed up a Texan."

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 11:12 AM

Quebec drivers are notoriously bad. not me though. ;)
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Posted 08 February 2007 - 11:26 AM

Hey drivers in Europe are nuts! France, Italy....Oh yes if you want an extreme sport try crossing the road in Florence or Paris. In the UK it's not so bad. The driving in London is.....slower than a pedestrian walking anyway most of the time. :rolleyes: Plus, when a pedestrian puts one foot on a zebra crossing, Cars MUST stop for them until they have completely crossed, a law which I'm not sure they have in Europe.

When I went to Florence I couldn't *believe* how fast they drove and how oblivious to pedestrians they were. Plus, instead of the "honk honk" that Brits give as a sign of their discontent, in Europe (I generalise here from my experiences in France, Germany, Italy and Spain [Iceland doesn't count]) they tend to just go "Hoooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnkkkkkkk. Hoooooooooooooooooonnnnnkkk" SOOO loud. Holland and Belgium were WAY better. Then again in Holland they seem to prefer bikes to cars, though 'course Gode can tell you more about traffic in Holland than I can. ;)

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 11:31 AM

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I htink the worse I have had to deal with is Houston Traffic. I was in a taxi all three times I have been in LA. It appears to be just as a messy. But Houston it was not speed it was the idiot who thought nothing of comming off the the ramp and going over to the far left lane. paying no attention to the anyone else was there.
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Posted 08 February 2007 - 11:33 AM

View PostG1223, on Feb 8 2007, 10:31 AM, said:

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I htink the worse I have had to deal with is Houston Traffic. I was in a taxi all three times I have been in LA. It appears to be just as a messy. But Houston it was not speed it was the idiot who thought nothing of comming off the the ramp and going over to the far left lane. paying no attention to the anyone else was there.
You oughtta try it now with the whole Light Rail Metro Trains that run everywhere.  

Mel and I were going downtown (for one of my Dr. appts) and we were on Fannin Street and I was wholly and utterly confuzzled by the set up. :wacko:  Houston's "train/automobile" wreck rate has skyrocketed and I can see why!  The whole traffic system down there is a friggin' mess!

Now, 'nough said.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 11:54 AM

Houston is, indeed, traffic hell.  I wouldn't even try to drive there.  Too many crazy people.

I used to deal with this guy who sold really hard-to-find horror movies on videotape, and he lived in Massachusetts.  He would regularly send me newspaper clippings of crazy car wrecks that had happened nearby, always circling the fact the crazy drivers were always from Texas.  He did that so obsessively that I used to wonder if he was writing a book on 'em or something...

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 12:04 PM

View PostQueenTiye, on Feb 8 2007, 09:36 AM, said:

The only thing this could possibly be about is increasing city revenues by handing out more tickets.
Its the State Government doing it though... If I read it correctly too this law would probably be applied to Albany, Syracuse and Buffalo at the very least too.  So I don't think it has anything to do with increasing revenue for NYC.  If anything this has everything to do with Albany being Albany and still staying Albany.  Our state government really makes me shake my head at times. ;-)

View PostScottEVill, on Feb 8 2007, 10:43 AM, said:

I don't support this legislation -- Frankly, it's b*llsh*t, and -- as others have noted -- it has no chance at passage.  (And it's very likely unconstitutional.  If I want to listen to my iPod when I commute (and I *do*), then I will.  My choice.  Not the government's.

View PostCheile, on Feb 7 2007, 08:20 PM, said:

i've heard how people in New York drive....like f-ing maniacs on speed.

I beg your pardon?

NYC drivers are a little crazy in my opinion but not really maniacs on speed level of crazy.  Though I do love when they get Upstate and their solution to driving in snow is to put the accelerator through the floor. ;)  I doubt the law is unconstitutional considering the cellphone driving ban has held up.  My own opinion is your fighting natural selection with such a law.  If you manage to get hit by a car crossing a street with an Ipod you are probably far enough in your own little word that you'll manage to do something else.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 12:51 PM

View PostCJ AEGIS, on Feb 8 2007, 12:04 PM, said:

View PostQueenTiye, on Feb 8 2007, 09:36 AM, said:

The only thing this could possibly be about is increasing city revenues by handing out more tickets.
Its the State Government doing it though... If I read it correctly too this law would probably be applied to Albany, Syracuse and Buffalo at the very least too.  So I don't think it has anything to do with increasing revenue for NYC.  If anything this has everything to do with Albany being Albany and still staying Albany.  Our state government really makes me shake my head at times. ;-)

Good point - but my argument still stands.  You can't possibly go to jail for violating this - you can only ever be issued a ticket worth some amount of money.  And with this law essentially unenforceable - its an easy ticket to give and to make money from until someone with some sense overturns it....

that is, if lots of someones with sense refuse to pass it in the first place.

One can hope.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 01:24 PM

I think Spidey nailed it on the head here when he said this law is ridiculous because we have had personal music players since Sony's first Walkman! This is NOT new technology. Why wait so long to make this law NOW? And yes, how do you even enforce this?

And Lost Cause is right when he listed all the stupid things drivers do in their cars to distract themselves.

This is nothing but a fund raiser for the police, just like winter here in the Boston area when cities start getting anal about parking laws to riase some ca$h.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 01:43 PM

View PostScottEVill, on Feb 8 2007, 07:43 AM, said:

I don't support this legislation -- Frankly, it's b*llsh*t, and -- as others have noted -- it has no chance at passage.  (And it's very likely unconstitutional.  If I want to listen to my iPod when I commute (and I *do*), then I will.  My choice.  Not the government's.

View PostCheile, on Feb 7 2007, 08:20 PM, said:

i've heard how people in New York drive....like f-ing maniacs on speed.

I beg your pardon?

the parents went to New York a couple years ago....and some friends have also been recently.  there was a story or two about insane drivers paying little attention to anything or anyone.  usually cab drivers, but non-cabbies were also mentioned.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 01:47 PM

View PostLost Cause, on Feb 8 2007, 08:09 AM, said:

Cheile said:

i've heard how people in New York drive....like f-ing maniacs on speed.

^I'm with Scott on the  :eh:  factor on that comment.  

Ever driven regularly in TX, Cheile?  I remember when I lived in La., the bleed over of TX drivers into W. La. prompted me to make the joke,

"How do you know you're driving too fast?  When you've passed up a Texan."

Driving I-49 from Shreveport to Alexandria could, at times, be considered taking your life in your own hands.

i have friends in the Houston area.  the one who drives has complained quite loudly before about idiots on the road in that area.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 01:57 PM

View PostCJ AEGIS, on Feb 8 2007, 12:04 PM, said:

NYC drivers are a little crazy in my opinion but not really maniacs on speed level of crazy.  Though I do love when they get Upstate and their solution to driving in snow is to put the accelerator through the floor. ;)

My own reaction to snow (when I lived upstate) was the exact opposite.  

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View PostCheile, on Feb 8 2007, 01:43 PM, said:

scottevill said:

View PostCheile, on Feb 7 2007, 08:20 PM, said:

i've heard how people in New York drive....like f-ing maniacs on speed.

I beg your pardon?

the parents went to New York a couple years ago....and some friends have also been recently.  there was a story or two about insane drivers paying little attention to anything or anyone.  usually cab drivers, but non-cabbies were also mentioned.

You're entitled to your opinion, and I don't mean to suggest otherwise.  But the comment painted all "people in New York" who drive as "f-ing maniacs on speed," and we're not.

In my experience, that broadside -- which is certainly not your creation -- is just not factually accurate.  Driving in New York rarely involves speed -- What it involves is sheer *volume*, and that often precludes speed.  Hell, it precludes driving the speed *limit*.  Too much congestion.  

My experience is that people who drive on open roads in less heavily populated areas have a lot more opportunity to be speed demons.

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 02:07 PM

^ i did not say "all"....i said "people in New York".  please do not put words into my replies that i never said.

and you know what, Los Angeles drivers have earned a similar reputation.  my friends in LA aren't insulted when people said "LA drivers drive like f-ing maniacs".

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Posted 08 February 2007 - 02:21 PM

View PostCheile, on Feb 7 2007, 10:44 PM, said:

actually it boils down to this senator blaming the victim (the pedestrians) instead of the sloppy, careless drivers New York City is known for.

Oh hell NO! I'll be the first to say that NY does have it's share of winner drivers. Idiots behind the wheel, and all that. HOWEVER, it also has more then it's share of idiotic pedestrians...You know the type...the one's who see the car coming towards them, and because "Pedestrians have the right of way" decide to step out, knowing the car is coming, because the car will stop because he, the pedestrian, has the right of way. BS!

There are idiots on both sides, behind the wheel and the shoe leather express...But to say that all pedestrians are victims is BS, IMO. If someone suddenly steps out in front of you, with no warning, cause he feels you will stop...even CAN'T stop in time...then IMO it's the pedestrian at fault, not the driver.
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View PostZwolf, on Feb 8 2007, 11:09 AM, said:

It may be a good idea in theory, because people really shouldn't be wandering around in a dangerous environment when they're not aware of their surroundings.   I know I'd love to cram everybody's frickin' cell-phone straight up their frickin' a.. ban cell-phones in public because I'm sick o' being bumped into by people using them, or slowed down by them as they wander aimlessly like a scrap of garbage adrift on a sewer flow, wandering back and forth along the sidewalk 'cuz their balance is off 'cuz they're pressing something against their head, and they're not aware that they're even in public because Muffy's telling me what she's doin' ("Nothin'!  What're yew doin'?"  "Nothin'!")  so I don't have to master the ooo-scary concept of being alone for even ONE SINGLE FREAKIN' MINUTE!    God help 'em, if that happened, they might actually, I dunno, THINK or something, and then what?

'Scuze me, got off on a maniacal tangent there.  I liked the old days, where you could spot the crazy people because they were the ones talking to themselves.  Now in the age of BlueTooth etc., the crazy people blend right in, and you can't identify them until the scissors or the icepick comes out and then it's too late.   Besides, when did people get so complacent that they stopped feeling any need to watch out for themselves?  Handicapping yourself with distractions is as good as wounded-fish-noises to the sharks out there.  


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