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#41 Cait

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 08:52 PM

View PostPywacket, on Feb 23 2007, 05:32 PM, said:

View PostLost Cause, on Feb 22 2007, 06:10 AM, said:

View PostCait, on Feb 21 2007, 11:15 PM, said:

And it just begs another question... what the hell are they spending all our money on?

Earmarks; pork barrel projects; museums that people will never hear of nor visit, even though they're "good for the local economy."  You know, Cait:  pointless crap that wastes hard-earned tax-payer dollars to buy votes for the incumbent.
More specifically, though, what have we spent billions of dollars on in Iraq?  

Pywacket

Exactly!  Who got the money spent on/in Iraq?  It wasn't spent on body armor, and it wasn't spent on armored vehicles, and it wasn't spent on medical care, and it wasn't spent on rehab, and it wasn't spent in disability payments.. etc etc etc.

So where did it go?  You'd think that in a budget *that* large, you could find some room to take care of the soldiers who fight/fought for us.  You know what I mean!

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#42 Rhea

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 08:56 PM

View PostCait, on Feb 23 2007, 05:52 PM, said:

View PostPywacket, on Feb 23 2007, 05:32 PM, said:

View PostLost Cause, on Feb 22 2007, 06:10 AM, said:

View PostCait, on Feb 21 2007, 11:15 PM, said:

And it just begs another question... what the hell are they spending all our money on?

Earmarks; pork barrel projects; museums that people will never hear of nor visit, even though they're "good for the local economy." You know, Cait: pointless crap that wastes hard-earned tax-payer dollars to buy votes for the incumbent.
More specifically, though, what have we spent billions of dollars on in Iraq?

Pywacket

Exactly! Who got the money spent on/in Iraq? It wasn't spent on body armor, and it wasn't spent on armored vehicles, and it wasn't spent on medical care, and it wasn't spent on rehab, and it wasn't spent in disability payments.. etc etc etc.

So where did it go? You'd think that in a budget *that* large, you could find some room to take care of the soldiers who fight/fought for us. You know what I mean!


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#43 Hibblette

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 12:10 AM

The whole money issue that the Repubs are using for their crying jags is nothing but a smoke screen.

That's why I'm saying the Dems need to call their hand on it.
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#44 Mel

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Posted 01 March 2007 - 12:09 PM

Another follow up article in the Washington Post about how the Army higher ups knew about the problems for quite a while. (Surprised?  :rolleyes: )

The article also mentions possible reprisals against the soldiers for speaking out.

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Last week, the Army relieved of duty several low-ranking soldiers who managed outpatients. This week, in a move that some soldiers viewed as reprisal for speaking to the media, the wounded troops were told that early-morning room inspections would be held and that further contact with reporters is prohibited.
The Army Times also has an articleabout reprisals and changes that appear to make it more difficult for reporters to get to outpatients. (bolding mine)

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Soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center’s Medical Hold Unit say they have been told they will wake up at 6 a.m. every morning and have their rooms ready for inspection at 7 a.m., and that they must not speak to the media.

“Some soldiers believe this is a form of punishment for the trouble soldiers caused by talking to the media,” one Medical Hold Unit soldier said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

It is unusual for soldiers to have daily inspections after Basic Training.

. . . .

They were also told they would be moving out of Building 18 to Building 14 within the next couple of weeks. Building 14 is a barracks that houses the administrative offices for the Medical Hold Unit and was renovated in 2006. It’s also located on the Walter Reed Campus, where reporters must be escorted by public affairs personnel. Building 18 is located just off campus and is easy to access.


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Posted 01 March 2007 - 02:15 PM

^That ain't gonna help their case.  In fact, it only makes it look worse.  

Reeeeeeal smart. . .take it out on the guys you're supposed to be helping in the first place, but you haven't and they've (rightfully) griped about it.

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#46 The Oncoming Storm

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Posted 01 March 2007 - 02:40 PM

There may have been some low level sackings, but the treatement of the outpatient soldiers has come back to haunt someone even bigger:

Walter Reed General Loses His Command

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Maj. Gen. George W. Weightman, who was commanding general of the North Atlantic Regional Medical Command as well as Walter Reed hospital, was relieved of command by Army Secretary Francis J. Harvey.

In a brief announcement, the Army said service leaders had "lost trust and confidence" in Weightman's leadership abilities "to address needed solutions for soldier outpatient care" at Walter Reed.

Edited by Lost Cause, 01 March 2007 - 02:41 PM.

Rose: [disgusted] Oh, look at what the cat dragged in: "The Oncoming Storm."

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#47 Rhea

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Posted 01 March 2007 - 03:34 PM

View PostLost Cause, on Mar 1 2007, 11:15 AM, said:

^That ain't gonna help their case. In fact, it only makes it look worse.

Reeeeeeal smart. . .take it out on the guys you're supposed to be helping in the first place, but you haven't and they've (rightfully) griped about it.


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#48 Kosh

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Posted 01 March 2007 - 04:52 PM

I've started a letter to Senator Byrd. I'll Carbon Copy the rest of my reps. I've included both Nonny and Digital Mans stories, without using names or places. it will be a week or better before i'm satified with the writing and accually send the letter.

If you have a story, or know of a Vet who has a story that needs to be heard by the house and Senate, I encourage each of you to write, or to urge that person, to write to there reps. It may not make any difference, but I feel like I have to do it. I've been silent for far too long.


I believe it is every Americans duty to do what they can to support both the current troops and our vets like Nonny, DM's Dad, and my Dad, who is also gone. If we don't push the matter, we deserve niether the Freedom they protect, nor the security they risk their live to bring us.

Edited by Kosh, 01 March 2007 - 04:53 PM.

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#49 Nonny

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Posted 02 March 2007 - 08:32 AM

Kosh, I'm honored.  :)

I'm going to try a search, see if I can find a thread or post I hope I made a few years ago about treatment of newly disabled soldiers and Marines back from Iraq.  I'm sure I read about it in my Disabled American Veterans magazine, and I remember that the article was online but I had trouble accessing it even though I'm a member.  They've since improved their website, but as I recall I was determined to type it out, it was so important to me.  Anyway, I'm not the best at searches, but I'll try. I'm pretty sure the general who's taking over Walter Reed is the one who was replaced back then, but before I get my facts straight, I'm just speculating.  In any case, Kiley is a big problem.  

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#50 Nonny

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Posted 02 March 2007 - 09:19 AM

I didn't find the post I was looking for, but I heard this on NPR this morning:

edited to add: Isn't that interesting?  They updated the article and added a photo just as I was posting this.  

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<h3 class="contenttitle">General Fired over Problems at Walter Reed</h3>  by Guy Raz

                                             Morning Edition, March 2, 2007 ·  Questions are being raised about the new commander in charge of the Army's Walter Reed Army Medical Center, a day after the previous general in charge was fired....

On Thursday, the Pentagon responded by firing Maj. Gen. George Weightman, the hospital's director. Army spokesman Paul Boyce said that there will now be an overhaul in the way Walter Reed deals with outpatients.

                         "As we find things that need to have corrective action, we will take those steps immediately," Boyce said.

                         To begin the process, the Army named Gen. Kevin Kiley to serve as the interim head of Walter Reed. Kiley is the top Army medical officer.

                         But several former Army officials who have worked at Walter Reed — which Gen. Kiley ran in a previous stint that ended in 2004 — say he has known about the problems at the hospital since 2003.

                         And even last week, as the Pentagon promised swift action, Gen. Kiley was publicly blasting The Washington Post for what he called "one-sided reporting."

                         So the decision to have Gen. Kiley lead Walter Reed in the interim has left some senior pentagon officials fuming. One said, in private, "they fired the wrong guy and promoted the wrong guy."....
Beyond SNAFU, passing FUBAR.  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:

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Edited by Nonny, 02 March 2007 - 09:23 AM.

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Posted 02 March 2007 - 11:02 AM

Gen. Kiley needs to keep in mind that if the SecArmy is willin' to boot a two-star, he needs to be concerned about his stars.

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Posted 02 March 2007 - 12:11 PM

View PostKosh, on Mar 1 2007, 04:52 PM, said:

I've started a letter to Senator Byrd. I'll Carbon Copy the rest of my reps. I've included both Nonny and Digital Mans stories, without using names or places. it will be a week or better before i'm satified with the writing and accually send the letter.

Cool. Thanks Kosh.  :cool:
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Posted 02 March 2007 - 02:31 PM

For myself I was treated at two of the service medical centers in the DC area, Bethesda Naval and the Air Force's Malcolm Grow Medical Center (on Andrews AFB). I got great treatment at both. I had two surgeries at Bethesda and a lot of my normal medical care at Grow because I lived closest to it. When I was there the entire staff at the OB/GYN clinic were females and it was an absolutely great supportive environment. That was just after my Mom was diagnosed with breast cancer so they were checking me every six months. I never used Reed for anything though.

As luck would have it I'm using the VAMC at Togus, Maine now and I'm also finding the care and staff there to be excellent. The biggest problem I have is scheduling appointments around my work schedule and I will admit that would be almost impossible if I was working full time. For now though things are working for me.
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Posted 02 March 2007 - 04:20 PM

This isn't directly related to the story, but it's not worth a thread of its own and it fits in with the theme of our troops being treated badly, so I'll stick it here...

Now, being a reservist - a very noble thing that should be rewarded - can count against you.  Reservists are having a hard time finding jobs because employers are reluctant to hire somebody who might get called up and leave them shorthanded for months.  That's definitely understandable, but it still sucks, and it's another big flaw (although not one I believe the administration would give a damn about) in this business of sending in National Guard troops for foreign wars.  They're supposed to be the National Guard, but, because they work cheaper and don't have to be paid as many benefits, the government is trying to use them instead of higher paid career servicemen.  And it's not only misusing them, it's costing them employment back home.

So, we have horrible health care situations for wounded troops, and punishment in the form of fewer job prospects.   The crap being thrown on our troops never ends, and that really, really sucks.

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#55 Nonny

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 10:51 AM

Army secretary out, interim commander out

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The Army also announced Friday that Maj. Gen. Eric B. Schoomaker, 58, will be the new commander of Walter Reed. His appointment came less than a day after Lt. Gen. Kevin Kiley, the current Army surgeon general and a former commander of Walter Reed, was appointed interim head of the hospital.                         Lt. Gen. Kiley's appointment as interim commander of Walter Reed was controversial because of accusations that he knew about the problems at the facility years ago.
Kiley's out!  Excellent!  :)  :)  :)

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 11:16 AM

Very good.  :)  The Army knew that Kiley's tenure would be more bad PR that they didn't need.

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#57 tennyson

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Posted 03 March 2007 - 03:27 PM

Zwolf the Reserves and the National Guard are not the same thing. They are very different structures.
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Posted 03 March 2007 - 06:31 PM

True tenny, but the national command structure seems to be using them interchangably these days. The national guard shouldn't be getting used the way it is now. It should be held in reserve (not meaning to be humerous here) for domestic emergencies such as floods, storms, etc.

But to Zwolf's point, the re-employment rights that Guardspersons and Reservists have need to be sacrosent. To have employers refusing to employ them in the first place to contravent that law is a development that has the potential to become a national crisis.

Edited by Anastashia, 03 March 2007 - 06:35 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 02:41 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17458405/

Words just fail me, and we all know Im, seldom at a loss for words.  This is how we treat the men and women who put their lives on the line to secure our freedom.?

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#60 Nonny

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Posted 05 March 2007 - 08:28 AM

View PostCait, on Mar 4 2007, 11:41 PM, said:

This is how we treat the men and women who put their lives on the line to secure our freedom.?
Yep.  

I've been labeled a troublemaker at my current VAMC, but actually had a "patient warning" placed in my file at my previous one, all because I refused to stop requesting a different resident in one of the clinics because the one I was stuck with would stand out in the hall discussing my health issues and not let me into his exam room because his religious feelings were outraged by having to treat a woman veteran.  The bogus warning was finally lifted after several abusive encounters with VA police, including a cop shoving aside a nurse and attempting to enter while I was dressing and several cops getting in my face and yelling to provoke anxiety attacks to justify further abuse.  

There may have been a patient warning in my file at my current VAMC after my near death experience 6 years ago, because there was a VA cop waiting outside every appointment, and once when I was in the patient rep's office (the one who literally saved my life and found a doctor to examine me after the ER nurses turned me away while I was bleeding to death) he had to shout at the VA cop who forced his way into his office while I was crying.  After a couple months, the cops figured out that I was no threat and went back to leaving me alone (most are now quite friendly), but having armed VA police in your face threatening you as a violater of federal law when you are helpless and unable to get out of bed without help is no fun, I can tell you.  

That near death experience and all the bad treatment following is why I receive fee-based gyn care, and why so many VAMC staffers and someone from my congresswoman's staff will be trying to get the denial for fee-based radiation therapy overturned today.  I better fasten my seatbelt, cuz it's gonna be a bumpy ride!  :unsure:

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Edited by Nonny, 06 March 2007 - 06:57 AM.

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