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#1 jon3831

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 06:41 AM

Another in the "You don't hear about this on the evening news" file:

http://www.tribnet.c...p-3258692c.html

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As his back door was kicked in Monday afternoon, a South End homeowner - confined to his bed because of a disability - called 911 with one hand and grabbed his 9 mm Glock handgun with the other.

Within seconds, a burglar was in the bedroom and inching closer.

"He didn't stop coming toward me until he was looking down the barrel of a 9 mm," said the 64-year-old homeowner, who didn't want to be identified out of fear for his safety.

The burglar, disguising his face with a handkerchief, backed off several steps and called out to someone else.

"I thought he was going to take off, but he turned back around and he said, 'I'm going to get you,'" the homeowner said. "That's when I shot him."


Of particular interest is this:

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Moments later, someone kicked in the back door. The homeowner grabbed the phone and dialed 911. As it rang, he searched for his gun.

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A 911 dispatcher answered the homeowner's call moments after the shooting.

I'm all for the 911 system, but this incident demonstrates how quickly these things can happen, and how important it is for people to have the ability to defend themselves if they so desire.

Kudos to the homeowner.

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EDIT: Forgot the link to the story...  :blush:

Edited by jon3831, 04 June 2003 - 06:42 AM.

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 06:43 AM

Excellent article which shows how guns can (and should) be used responsibly. I doubt I would have been generous enough to intentionally shoot to wound (rather than kill) in his shoes, but I applaud his actions.

Here's hoping the police catch the burglars and this guy doesn't have to live in fear for much longer. :).
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 06:46 AM

Javert Rovinski, on Jun 3 2003, 12:47 PM, said:

I doubt I would have been generous enough to intentionally shoot to wound (rather than kill) in his shoes, but I applaud his actions.
One of the things they teach in firearms safety courses and self-defense courses is that the objective isn't to kill the intruder. The objective is to stop the attack. And that's exactly what happened here.
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 06:48 AM

^

That's true.
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 06:57 AM

*grudingly*  Even I have to admit that a gun can be helpful in situations like that (I'm very anti-gun).  So long as the person knows what they're doing and is shooting to *stop* the attack and protect themselves, rather than just to kill or damage the other person.
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 07:01 AM

There is only one word to describe this homeowner ....


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Posted 04 June 2003 - 07:09 AM

If I were his age, and disabled, I would have put a bullit through the guys head. Stopping someone in that situation gives them another chance to hurt you. He was lucky.  But then I don't keep a loaded gun around anyway.
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 07:23 AM

My anti gunness aside...

go HIM!
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 07:49 AM

Javert Rovinski, on Jun 3 2003, 02:47 PM, said:

Excellent article which shows how guns can (and should) be used responsibly. I doubt I would have been generous enough to intentionally shoot to wound (rather than kill) in his shoes, but I applaud his actions.

Here's hoping the police catch the burglars and this guy doesn't have to live in fear for much longer. :).
I totally agree. I believe that this is what the framers of the Constitution had in mind when they included "the right to bear arms." A person has the right to defend their life and the life of their family. I have no problems with waiting periods and registering guns. Responsible gun owners have nothing to hide. I think these things simply make it a bit harder for criminals to obtain guns. They also prevent people from obtaining one in a moment of rage.

I'm against totally banning private ownership of guns however. People, such as this man, who wish to use them for protection, hunters, and sportsmen, would be denied a Constitutional right, but criminals would still be able to obtain firearms. You know very well they aren't getting most of them legally. I think that the answer to concerns about the safety of having guns in the home, preventing children from getting them and things like that, it education. People who own guns need to learn to respect them and handle them safely. We always had guns in our home when we were growing up. My father, however, was adamant about us learning proper safety and being properly supervised anytime we handled them.

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 08:11 AM

Pretty much agreed bossy.

I've also submitted this item to fark.com, under the entry "HERO". Here's hoping it gets on the website :D
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 08:27 AM

Agreed also, bossy.  I've always felt that people should register their guns: I'm pro-gun-control, but certainly not anti-gun.  I may hate guns, but they do have their uses.

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 08:32 AM

Finally an example of a handgun being put to proper use - as a last line of self defense. :)

Good on the old guy, I say.
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 08:33 AM

Javert Rovinski, on Jun 3 2003, 07:47 PM, said:

I doubt I would have been generous enough to intentionally shoot to wound (rather than kill) in his shoes, but I applaud his actions.
The problem here Rov is the laws in many areas that are strongly anti-gun will go after you if you shoot to wound.  They have the laws written so that a firearm may only be discharged in self-defense if you feel that there is imminent threat to your life.  Then these areas argue that if you are shooting to wound the threat wasn’t severe enough to your life to even warrant the use of the firearm.  So then they’ll have you up on charges looking for a conviction.  

So in many cases you’ll find the legal advice is to shoot to kill to protect yourself from ending up in jail.  I think really that the option to shoot to wound is one that should be left there even if it isn’t advisable in certain circumstances.  .  


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grabbed his 9 mm Glock handgun with the other.

Glock!?!?!  *TWITCH*  Good thing it didn't explode on him....
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 08:58 AM

Good for him!

Although, if he's bedridden, and he got out of bed, confronted and shot an intruder, and talked with the police about it... I can only imagine how he must have felt once the adrenalin wore out.  Ouch.

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 09:22 AM

Well I am glad the guy is a live becasue it sounds very clearly like these guys inteneded to kill him. I hope they put him away for a long time. I also hope the old man gets  his doors fixed for free.
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 09:39 AM

I'm glad the man whose house was broken into is okay, especially considering his condition!  Most situations like that probably wouldn't have ended like that.  I myself probably would have been panicking and not think to use a weapon.
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 10:59 AM

Bossy, on Jun 3 2003, 01:53 PM, said:

I have no problems with waiting periods and registering guns. Responsible gun owners have nothing to hide. I think these things simply make it a bit harder for criminals to obtain guns. They also prevent people from obtaining one in a moment of rage.
A question to ponder... If owning guns is a right protected by the Bill of Rights, in the same manner as freedom of speech and religion, why aren't there waiting periods and registration to go to church or give a speech?

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I'm against totally banning private ownership of guns however. People, such as this man, who wish to use them for protection, hunters, and sportsmen, would be denied a Constitutional right, but criminals would still be able to obtain firearms. You know very well they aren't getting most of them legally.

Indeed. Most of the illegal guns out there are obtained illegally, either from smugglers or thieves or by other means.

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I think that the answer to concerns about the safety of having guns in the home, preventing children from getting them and things like that, it education. People who own guns need to learn to respect them and handle them safely. We always had guns in our home when we were growing up. My father, however, was adamant about us learning proper safety and being properly supervised anytime we handled them.

Agreed 100%. I was 5 or 6 when I first learned how to shoot. My dad and several of my buddy's dads took us to a Boy Scout range while we were on a youth group retreat. Taught us handling and safety, then we each put 50 or so rounds downrange. And later, when I was old enough, I took a formal class on proper handling. Personally, I think basic firearms safety should be taught in schools to everyone. But that's just me. ;)

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CJ:  The problem here Rov is the laws in many areas that are strongly anti-gun will go after you if you shoot to wound. They have the laws written so that a firearm may only be discharged in self-defense if you feel that there is imminent threat to your life. Then these areas argue that if you are shooting to wound the threat wasn’t severe enough to your life to even warrant the use of the firearm. So then they’ll have you up on charges looking for a conviction.

The key phrase is California is "shoot to stop the attack". If that means the attacker dies, then so be it. But you're right. There is no such thing as "shoot to wound". Most of the issues with varying degrees of force are left with peace officers, but due to the legal environment today, a "civilian" doesn't have that option.

Also, I think the exact phrase in California law is "immediate danger of life or limb", and it's worded in such a way as to be ambiguous as to whether you can discharge a firearm in defense of your family as opposed to only yourself. In this case, though, "I'm going to get you" would be enough, IMO, to warrant deadly force.

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Glock!?!?! *TWITCH* Good thing it didn't explode on him....

Nah, it was a 9mm. Most of the problems come from the .40S&W. ;) ;)
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 11:26 AM

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. Most of the illegal guns out there are obtained illegally

Actually, I'd say all of them are. :blink:
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~~ Josh, winning the argument.

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Posted 04 June 2003 - 11:33 AM

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Jon: Personally, I think basic firearms safety should be taught in schools to everyone.

I’ve always thought that would be a great PR program for the US military and a way to attract new recruits.  I think the biggest problem would be working out the legal issues and getting the public attracted to it.   Then say make the program for high school seniors or juniors.  Get them out to give them the training and then put them on the range for a while with at least the M9 and M16.  Bonus is put a gunnery sergeant in charge of the range who won’t take any type of dangerous activity on the range.   Nothing like a Gunny to maintain law and order.  

I think it would be a good “field trip” to toss in with a required class on military history and tactics.  I’ve always found it funny that classes are required in US Government so we understand how the government operates so we can be responsible citizens yet we have nothing similar for the military.  Military force/intervention is so often an option in foreign policy that citizens in order to be responsible should understand it before they choose to support it or not support it.  Plus it would save me the headache of doing two things.  The first being to explain the job of the military is to kill people and break things.  The second being that you can’t just “nuke ‘em” no matter what the situation.  

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Jon: Nah, it was a 9mm. Most of the problems come from the .40S&W. ;) ;)

Still the very idea of a Glock and their idea of a proper safety just tends to make me shiver in terror.  ;)
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Posted 04 June 2003 - 02:38 PM

jon3831, on Jun 3 2003, 07:03 PM, said:

Bossy, on Jun 3 2003, 01:53 PM, said:

I have no problems with waiting periods and registering guns. Responsible gun owners have nothing to hide. I think these things simply make it a bit harder for criminals to obtain guns. They also prevent people from obtaining one in a moment of rage.
A question to ponder... If owning guns is a right protected by the Bill of Rights, in the same manner as freedom of speech and religion, why aren't there waiting periods and registration to go to church or give a speech?

Because you can't kill someone or commit a violent crime by attending church or giving a speach.



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