SparkyCola, on Apr 13 2007, 12:59 AM, said:
Uh..that hasn't been my experience at all. I tried out a number of societies at uni and left plenty because they knew each other already and were cliquey and uninclusive and incredibly unwelcoming. But again, anecdotal, and I totally hear you on that point so, enough said.
Different experiences I suppose. When I joined the griffin players I was one of only two new people. Everyone else had done at least one or two shows together, some as many as five or six, but rather than excluding me, they went out of their way to get me involved in things.
I find myself wishing you'd had better luck with the university societies. Do you mean things like fraternities?
The silent majority are perfectly loud in their disapproval of such things.
And yet, nothing much has really changed since the scandal first became public knowledge.
Do you honestly have Christian friends where you have said to them "Look at this pedophile priest" and they said "i'm sorry I couldn't comment" ?
Despite how I might come across here on EI, i really don't go up to my Christian friends and say 'now about them pedophile priests, how's that working out for you.'
That's a tad obnoxious, even for me.
I'm sorry if you think the loud ones get more attention paid to them than the quiet ones. Well, when people get tired of the loud ones, they might just turn around to their Christian friend and think to themselves "hang on, my friend is nothing like that person. why is that?"
Maybe, actually I'll go so far as to say that I hope you're right. I don't think you are mind you, as I think vastly more people take their opinions from whomever speaks loudest, but I hope you're right.
Only if you decide that loving God means more than simply loving God.
History is replete with examples of people deciding that to love God, they have to hurt their fellow man. You probably don't claim them as Christians, but they certainly did consider themselves Christians.
Me too. I'd put in a good word for you, but there's no point. God already knows you're cool
And see, that's the thing. If God is really up there, I'd be actually rather dissapointed to find he's a jealous, vain, angry God. And if I was right that he's none of those things, then I don't think he'd really mind that I never converted as long as I lived a good life. I know, it's heretical from the viewpoint of having to repent before death, but again I can live with that, especially as I don't believe he's up there to begin with.
Did you know we have more slaves now than when slavery was legal?
Wouldn't surprise me.
but far from saying slavery is right, Jesus talks about God loving everyone equally, the notion of equality as a first step towards condemning slavery instead of saying it outright, which, for people who found the idea of equality mindblowing- would be just a little too much.
I'm sorry, but the Bible finds time to condemn shellfish, masturbation and working on sundays, but it can't find one word to condemn the enslavement of your fellow man?
My friend, I'm sure this is where your respect for me drops below the zero line, but I have faith that God knew what he was doing.
If you think that will make me respect you less, then you are sorely mistaken. I may not agree with you, but that doesn't mean I don't respect you.
Actually, I'm a woman of my time
Point taken, consider my statement suitably amended