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#81 Rhea

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 08:12 PM

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View PostCardie, on Apr 17 2007, 03:48 PM, said:

According to one of his English teachers on NPR, she not only referred him to counseling services but notified the police that he could be dangerous.

A student interviewed said that campus police initially thought the female student and the RA were a lover's quarrel murder-suicide, which was why they didn't put out an alert about a gunman on the loose.  The fact that no gun was found by the bodies should have clued them into the fact that their theory had some holes in it.

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To me it's disturbing that they would think that a lovers quarrel would not be of some concern to the safety of the rest of the campus.  Were I work we have to take training that covers these sort of things in regards to security and this was a scenario we had.  Domestic disturbance outside of the job can effect everyone.

The campus should have been "locked down" immediately and I guess a dragnet performed.  Isn't that why dragnets are performed.  It's not just to get the perpetrator who needs to be punished but for the safety of the rest of society.  

I really do think that the security and the people in charge should be investigated on this.

I have to agree -  I find it very disturbing that they would shut the school down in August because they thought an escaped murder might even be near the campus, and yet they didn't close it down after the first shooting.
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 08:55 PM

View PostChipper, on Apr 16 2007, 06:24 PM, said:

View PostCJ AEGIS, on Apr 16 2007, 09:21 PM, said:

Reports are indicating that the gunman was armed with a 9 mm pistol and .22 caliber handgun.  

View PostCardie, on Apr 16 2007, 09:16 PM, said:

I've worked in college administration.  They wasnt to play down violent incidents for the sake of recruiting and keeping parents pacified.  Here they made a good faith conclusion that the danger was passed and didn't want to close down campus and blow it out of proportion since it was  assumed to be only an unfortunate domestic violence case.  But if they had "over-reacted" lives might have been saved.
I gotta agree with Cardie here.  Their actions were more focused on PR and the image of the campus as a safe spot and down playing the incident rather than in the safety of the students.

What?  They cared about their PR at the time rather than the students?  I think you're making valid points overall but this is kind of ridiculous.  Sorry.

I actually agree with cj.  It seems inexcusable to me to know about a shooting incident for as long as they did and take NO steps to safeguard the student body until it was too late.  I don't care if they think they were trying to avoid a panic.  I think it at a minimum was an exercise in very very poor judgment.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 09:16 PM

OK Having a House Moment.

Are you folks done? It is  a sad thing these people died. But other people died today. Others took their first gasps of air. A man dropped dead in a parking lot and a mother of five was killed crossing a road.

This is life and it is sad and it will never be clear cut what happened to set the guy off.

What we need to do is stop panicing over this. We need make the media drop this crap of shovel feeding up these stories. Yes people in the area needed more up to date info they were in danger. But I sure didn't need this. I really do not care what happened. But seeing how folks are wanting to work themselves up about this. Get real and focus on the stuff happening in front of you. It is important to you if nothing else.
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 09:28 PM

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Get real and focus on the stuff happening in front of you. It is important to you if nothing else.

To me this really does say something about our society today.  This is in front of all of us.  I may not live near VTU...but it is about fellow human beings who do live near there and those that were involved.

You do realize House is really not a good role model.  That's the unreal.  It's a fictional character.
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 09:46 PM

No I know he is not real. But the fact we have people who want to wrap themselves up into this mess is not a healthy thing. If it happened to friends or their families or to somone at least known that is one thing. But what grief is being felt by somone who lost nothing and never will from this event.

It is histroy and that is about all. The guy gunned down in a parking lot  at the grocery where he worked here in Indy is at least closer to home. The old lady across the round who has lived in her house for 45 years and has taken a turn for the worse is still closer. I will miss her waving as I walk by but life moves on and the next disaster awaits.
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 09:58 PM

View PostRhea, on Apr 17 2007, 07:12 PM, said:

View PostHibblette, on Apr 17 2007, 05:27 PM, said:

View PostCardie, on Apr 17 2007, 03:48 PM, said:

According to one of his English teachers on NPR, she not only referred him to counseling services but notified the police that he could be dangerous.

A student interviewed said that campus police initially thought the female student and the RA were a lover's quarrel murder-suicide, which was why they didn't put out an alert about a gunman on the loose.  The fact that no gun was found by the bodies should have clued them into the fact that their theory had some holes in it.

Cardie

To me it's disturbing that they would think that a lovers quarrel would not be of some concern to the safety of the rest of the campus.  Were I work we have to take training that covers these sort of things in regards to security and this was a scenario we had.  Domestic disturbance outside of the job can effect everyone.

The campus should have been "locked down" immediately and I guess a dragnet performed.  Isn't that why dragnets are performed.  It's not just to get the perpetrator who needs to be punished but for the safety of the rest of society.  

I really do think that the security and the people in charge should be investigated on this.

I have to agree -  I find it very disturbing that they would shut the school down in August because they thought an escaped murder might even be near the campus, and yet they didn't close it down after the first shooting.

But in the situation in August, the escaped murderer fled to the area of the college.

Logic would make it likely that someone who committed a murder there would flee from the area

And if they were focusing on a murder/suicide or they picked up for questioning the guy who dropped the girl off that morning at the dorm, then  either you're not looking for a suspect or you have a potential suspect...er 'person of interest'...in custody or that you are specifically looking for....off campus.

There does need to be a better system in place for protecting the students better...and likely will be in the future.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 10:06 PM

View PostG1223, on Apr 17 2007, 09:46 PM, said:

No I know he is not real. But the fact we have people who want to wrap themselves up into this mess is not a healthy thing. If it happened to friends or their families or to somone at least known that is one thing. But what grief is being felt by somone who lost nothing and never will from this event.

It is histroy and that is about all. The guy gunned down in a parking lot  at the grocery where he worked here in Indy is at least closer to home. The old lady across the round who has lived in her house for 45 years and has taken a turn for the worse is still closer. I will miss her waving as I walk by but life moves on and the next disaster awaits.

To me it is healthy that we are trying to discuss and get our feelings out and sort out what happened.  It is a mystery in our human consciousness that someone would do this.  

Of course your opinion is different-that's cool.  So...again why even make comments about how we are not exactly responding to this the way you think we should.

And Trikay any violence of any sort should be investigated with the intent that it is not over yet.  To just have the one suspect and not be searching for others is obviously not the way to do this.
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Posted 17 April 2007 - 10:20 PM

View PostHibblette, on Apr 17 2007, 09:06 PM, said:

And Trikay any violence of any sort should be investigated with the intent that it is not over yet.  To just have the one suspect and not be searching for others is obviously not the way to do this.


Didn't say it was the way to do it but I can see where this situation was perhaps beyond their experience.

But my theory is that this shooter would have just hunkered down during any lockdown and then gone ahead and done it.  If they are searching for a murderer on campus are they going to toss the kids rooms looking for evidence or weapons?  Somehow I doubt it as making sure everyone was safe would be the priority.

The only description that I heard from this was from the  Norris Hall shootings.  No word on whether they had any kind of description from the dorm shootings.  

As I said usually it takes a tragedy to fix problems or to point out problems.  Otherwise no one seems to care enough to think ahead enough to avoid problems.

This is not a problem that is only at Virginia Tech. (will go find the link to a report that was on tonight's news about this)

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 10:31 PM

I think it is natural to let something like this get to us, but I have to say that as I was becoming unhealthily obsessed with watching coverage of the shootings, I thought, "In Baghdad, Darfur, innumerable places, this happens every day."

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 10:51 PM

View PostCardie, on Apr 17 2007, 11:31 PM, said:

I think it is natural to let something like this get to us, but I have to say that as I was becoming unhealthily obsessed with watching coverage of the shootings, I thought, "In Baghdad, Darfur, innumerable places, this happens every day."

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 11:10 PM

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...the teacher, Christopher James Bishop, who wore his hair long, rode his bike to campus and worked with his wife in the foreign languages department at Virginia Tech.

This info was flying around some writer/fannish circles yesterday, because Jamie Bishop was the son of the science fiction writer/editor Michael Bishop. That doesn't make his death more important than anyone else's, but it hit me a little harder.

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Posted 17 April 2007 - 11:27 PM

You know, I have to be brutally honest-

I don't know why this piece of sh!t did what he did, and I don't f***ing CARE. I don't know and I DON'T WANT TO KNOW. There is NO EXCUSE IMAGINABLE for this. People can speculate as much as they want about the reasons behind this deranged person's actions-but I'm closing my mind to ANY AND ALL explanations. They will be nothing more than sorry-ass excuses to me.

All I care about is that nearly 3 dozen people are gone forever. The gunman going to hell for this? Sorry-but as far as I'm concerned, there's no hell and no God, either. Hell happens right here on this earth.

Feel free to agree or disagree-but my opinions stand, regardless.

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 04:29 AM

View PostCardie, on Apr 17 2007, 08:31 PM, said:

I think it is natural to let something like this get to us, but I have to say that as I was becoming unhealthily obsessed with watching coverage of the shootings, I thought, "In Baghdad, Darfur, innumerable places, this happens every day."
Yeah that really puts things into perspective, doesn't it?

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Posted 18 April 2007 - 04:49 AM

Stopped watching moment by moment. I looked to get fresh data as it was announced but Ikept changing channels once the update was done. I did the same with 9/11 becuase it was not something I could change and simply know that fact and that other things had to be done to get through the next day.
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Posted 18 April 2007 - 07:31 AM

Of course I thought of other things...I had to work.  

But just because some of us talk about it doesn't mean that's all we are thinking about.
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...the teacher, Christopher James Bishop, who wore his hair long, rode his bike to campus and worked with his wife in the foreign languages department at Virginia Tech.

This info was flying around some writer/fannish circles yesterday, because Jamie Bishop was the son of the science fiction writer/editor Michael Bishop. That doesn't make his death more important than anyone else's, but it hit me a little harder.
The reason it hit me so hard was that he's the guy who would have been my favorite teacher.  That, and the heartbreaking news that his wife, also an instructor in the department, had let someone know he was there teaching, and was waiting for news.  

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