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2nd GOP debate tonight at 9 E.T. on FoxNewsChannel

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#1 Spectacles

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Posted 15 May 2007 - 06:07 PM

So round two is tonight.

It'll be interesting to see how Rudy does now that he's come out as unequivocally pro-choice.

And I bet Tommy Thompson goes to the bathroom *before* the debate. He blamed one of his poor answers during the last one on a compelling need to go to the john. :)

Edited by Spectacles, 15 May 2007 - 06:08 PM.

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Posted 15 May 2007 - 06:12 PM

Here's a link to a background article on Fox's website:

http://www.foxnews.c...,270812,00.html
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Posted 15 May 2007 - 06:33 PM

Should be interesting to see which, if any of them, refuses to pander to Falwell.  Some of them have already released slobbering statements of what a great and wonderful man he was.  Yep--That should help them win the black vote.

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Posted 15 May 2007 - 07:09 PM

I wish the Dems and the Reps would get the same questions though.  So far, it ain't lookin' good... :(
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Posted 15 May 2007 - 07:10 PM

^ Yep. McCain, in particular, sure has changed his tune from this in 2000...

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Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right.

...to heaping praise on Falwell today--not to mention giving the graduation address at Liberty University last year. Falwell sure showed McCain that pandering to "agents of intolerance" is a necessity in politics, didn't he?

I saw that Duncan Hunter was praising Falwell today, which sort of surprised me because Hunter, Giuliani and Paul seemed less-enthusiastic culture warriors than the rest of the candidates during the last debate. But evidently Hunter credits Falwell for helping him first win his seat back in the early 80s. Not that Falwell was influential or anything....

Aside from Falwell, I'm curious to see if anything new comes up in this one. The last one contained so much repetition of "life" "strong" "Reagan" etc. that I dozed off. They hit the cultural conservatism themes so hard--and that was in California. I can't imagine how they can avoid replaying the same stuff in South Carolina.

But I shall endeavor to stay awake.

I think the Republicans need a crazy ol' coot like Gravel to spice things up. :)
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Posted 15 May 2007 - 07:16 PM

View PostSpidey, on May 15 2007, 08:09 PM, said:

I wish the Dems and the Reps would get the same questions though.  So far, it ain't lookin' good... :(

I agree, Spidey. It's hard to do a good comparison otherwise.

It's possible that the Republicans focused so much on displaying their social conservative bona fides because Chris Matthews kept pushing in that direction. It'll be interesting to see how Britt Hume frames the questions.

Of course, on the other hand, social conservatism is important to Republican primary voters, so maybe the difference in questions results from the different priorities of likely Democratic and Republican primary voters....I don't know. Again, it will be interesting to see what Hume asks and how his questions compare with Matthews'.
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Posted 15 May 2007 - 07:29 PM

This debate is coming to you from the Arts Center on my university's campus, so as you view the auditorium, the stage, and the exteriors, you can say confidently, "Cardie was here!"

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 09:35 AM

Cool! :)

I heard that Rudy made a great showing??  What did he say?  I couldn't be in front of a tv yesterday, so I didn't see this one.

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 09:55 AM

Well, I dozed again--and I wish I hadn't. I was in and out, but what I saw was much better than the first debate, and I'll give props to the Fox panel for that. Hume, Wallace, and the other guy whose name I don't know all did a fine job of asking genuinely "fair and balanced" questions. They probed, held some feet to the fire, and were generally much more focused than Chris Matthews, who generally isn't focused at all. :)

McCain seemed less nervous. Romney was smooth as usual. Giuliani was quick on his feet.

There were several challenges from the second-tier candidates calling into question the real conservatism of the top three, and made for some interesting exchanges.

But not being a conservative Republican, I'm afraid I'm not overly impressed with the substance of any of their answers. And Ron Paul made some loopy charge that 9/11 happened in part because we bombed Iraq...which Giuliani batted down.

All distanced themselves from the former Republican Congress's straying from the principles of fiscal conservatism. Brownback got the biggest laugh when he said that Congress had spent more money than "John Edwards in a beauty shop."

Edited by Spectacles, 16 May 2007 - 09:55 AM.

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 09:57 AM

View PostCardie, on May 15 2007, 08:29 PM, said:

This debate is coming to you from the Arts Center on my university's campus, so as you view the auditorium, the stage, and the exteriors, you can say confidently, "Cardie was here!"

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Thanks! I did that. :)

And that looks like a beautiful facility by the way.
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 10:49 AM

Thanks for the summary of the debate, Specs. I may watch the actual Presidential debates, but I'm not sure there's a point given that the answers are little more than sound bites. Also, the candidates in the debate are playing the political game, and their answers aren't necessarily indicative of what they'll do if they get into office. For example, in his debates, Bush said he was a uniter, not a divider. He also said that he was totally opposed to using US troops for nation building.
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 06:02 PM

View PostSolar Wind, on May 16 2007, 08:49 AM, said:

Thanks for the summary of the debate, Specs. I may watch the actual Presidential debates, but I'm not sure there's a point given that the answers are little more than sound bites. Also, the candidates in the debate are playing the political game, and their answers aren't necessarily indicative of what they'll do if they get into office. For example, in his debates, Bush said he was a uniter, not a divider. He also said that he was totally opposed to using US troops for nation building.

But hey, that was before he was elected! :p It's a political shell game where you tell the chumps what they want to hear so that they don't notice what you're doing with those hands..... :wacko:

Besides, he managed to get elected twice, so there had to have been a few somebodys who were sure he was doing a GREAT job. ;)

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 06:25 PM

I watched my X-files and Angel DVDs. As such, I deem myself the clear winner of the night.

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Posted 17 May 2007 - 06:29 AM

View PostRobL, on May 16 2007, 07:25 PM, said:

I watched my X-files and Angel DVDs. As such, I deem myself the clear winner of the night.

:D

You gotta point there.
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