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#1 Godeskian

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 11:19 AM

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But the Chief of the General Staff, General Sir Richard Dannatt, has confirmed the Prince will not go with his regiment, the Blues and Royals.

The prince is "very disappointed" at the decision but will not be leaving the Army as a result, Clarence House said in a statement.

I'm dissapointed as well, I think the majority of the Brits who had some repect for his desire to honor his comission and go with his men are dissapointed.

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In a statement, the general said: "Following a visit to Iraq last week I discovered a number of threats relating directly to Prince Harry and those around him and I am not prepared to export those risks.

Which is the reason they've been concerned all along unfortunately.

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"I've asked his commanding officer to develop his future career but I won't speculate on that.
I'm not a military man, but I was under the impression that generally speaking promotions came from actually going out and soldiering.

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He said "The point is the Chief of the General Staff, as the professional head of the Army and with responsibility for everyone in the Army, has responsibility for not just the Prince but every soldier and everyone, as we all know, is fundamentally equal.

Not surprising, but a shame.

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 11:39 AM

View PostGodeskian, on May 16 2007, 09:19 AM, said:

I'm not a military man, but I was under the impression that generally speaking promotions came from actually going out and soldiering.
Not if you're that well connected.  As a royal, he's a made man.  

Disappointing, but not surprising.  

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 11:52 AM

^What Gode said, basically.

I can't honestly blame them, but I am disappointed :(

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 12:28 PM

You know...I'm having serious doubts about Britian's military force. I mean, those 15 soldiers just throw up their hands and surrender without putting up a fight, and now they allow threats to determine who they put in the field.

What's next? They going to withdraw completely if the terrorists threaten to kill the Queen if they don't leave immediately?

I mean they had a perfect opportunity to exploit the fact that Harry was going there, leave the info, capture of kill any who show up to kill Harry...but no, they were cowered into submission.

My GOD.
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 12:40 PM

And the US isn't allowing terrorist threats to impact how they deal with things at all are they? It hasn't remotely changed how tourists get into the country....

Besides, I'm sure the Army publicise ALL of their tactics and strategies to the rest of the world on a frequent basis, give everyone a full insight to their plans and workings.

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 12:50 PM

This is pathetic! Harry obviously wants to serve so let him, its his choice to put his life on the line. I swear, grow his hair and beard out, dye them black, change his name to something common then get the bloody media to stop reporting his every action. No-one will know who he is!

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 12:58 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on May 16 2007, 09:28 AM, said:

You know...I'm having serious doubts about Britian's military force. I mean, those 15 soldiers just throw up their hands and surrender without putting up a fight, and now they allow threats to determine who they put in the field.

What's next? They going to withdraw completely if the terrorists threaten to kill the Queen if they don't leave immediately?

I mean they had a perfect opportunity to exploit the fact that Harry was going there, leave the info, capture of kill any who show up to kill Harry...but no, they were cowered into submission.

My GOD.

With all due respect.......

It would take more resorces to protect the young man, than would be justified. All he would be able to get was a glorified admin position in some camp somewhere. There is no way in hell they would put him in a combat situation where he could be captured, used for some kind of political spectical to embarrass the royal famliy, and ultimately killed.

Its not like he's some jetfighter jockey, safely living onboard an aircraft carrier, flying bombing missions or whatever. He would be on the ground, much more in harms way then his uncle was during the Falklands.

I can see where the Brits are comming from with this.

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 12:59 PM

View PostSparkyCola, on May 16 2007, 01:40 PM, said:

And the US isn't allowing terrorist threats to impact how they deal with things at all are they? It hasn't remotely changed how tourists get into the country....

Besides, I'm sure the Army publicise ALL of their tactics and strategies to the rest of the world on a frequent basis, give everyone a full insight to their plans and workings.

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There is a difference in taking precautions, and being downright cowed into submission. And yeah, US soldiers have been captured...at least they put up a fight though.

And as for publicising military tatics...If the insurgents had targeted a specific US soldier, I'd be saying the same thing. Use him as bait. Carefully leak info on where the soldier was, or would be...and then sit back and capture or kill any who show up to try and kill the soldier...And nobody said that soldier would have to be there...just that word of where he was or would be would be leaked.

And I've yet to see the US tell the whole world, "Sorry but this person's life is more important than the other soldier's lives."

Which is EXACTLY what they have done with Harry.
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 01:01 PM

View PostRobL, on May 16 2007, 01:58 PM, said:

With all due respect.......

It would take more resorces to protect the young man, than would be justified. All he would be able to get was a glorified admin position in some camp somewhere. There is no way in hell they would put him in a combat situation where he could be captured, used for some kind of political spectical to embarrass the royal famliy, and ultimately killed.

Its not like he's some jetfighter jockey, safely living onboard an aircraft carrier, flying bombing missions or whatever. He would be on the ground, much more in harms way then his uncle was during the Falklands.

I can see where the Brits are comming from with this.

So it's like I said...as far as Britian is concerned...Harry's life is more important then the other soldiers...Guess the rule of animal farm are in full effect.
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 01:06 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on May 16 2007, 10:01 AM, said:

View PostRobL, on May 16 2007, 01:58 PM, said:

With all due respect.......

It would take more resorces to protect the young man, than would be justified. All he would be able to get was a glorified admin position in some camp somewhere. There is no way in hell they would put him in a combat situation where he could be captured, used for some kind of political spectical to embarrass the royal famliy, and ultimately killed.

Its not like he's some jetfighter jockey, safely living onboard an aircraft carrier, flying bombing missions or whatever. He would be on the ground, much more in harms way then his uncle was during the Falklands.

I can see where the Brits are comming from with this.

So it's like I said...as far as Britian is concerned...Harry's life is more important then the other soldiers...Guess the rule of animal farm are in full effect.

Well, more important than the whole squad of security people (or more) that would have to be there with him, whereever he went.

You forget, its not like you or me going over there. He's got to have his own special security arrangements. Not any fault of his, its just becuase of who he is and what he represents.

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 01:18 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on May 16 2007, 02:01 PM, said:

View PostRobL, on May 16 2007, 01:58 PM, said:

With all due respect.......

It would take more resorces to protect the young man, than would be justified. All he would be able to get was a glorified admin position in some camp somewhere. There is no way in hell they would put him in a combat situation where he could be captured, used for some kind of political spectical to embarrass the royal famliy, and ultimately killed.

Its not like he's some jetfighter jockey, safely living onboard an aircraft carrier, flying bombing missions or whatever. He would be on the ground, much more in harms way then his uncle was during the Falklands.

I can see where the Brits are comming from with this.

So it's like I said...as far as Britian is concerned...Harry's life is more important then the other soldiers...Guess the rule of animal farm are in full effect.

He's in to the throne if something should happen to William or Prince Charles he becomes king, that's makes him alittle more important than the other soldiers.
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 02:03 PM

I suspected this is what was going to happen, given all the publicity surrounding him going.  Why they didn't just pack him off for a tour and not tell anyone where he was is a bit of a mystery to me.
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 02:06 PM

Try imagining the president's son (if he has one) serving over there. Are you really blind to the obvious potential for danger to the entire troop someone that important is with?

It's got nothing to do with Animal Farm ethics and you know that.

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 02:18 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on May 16 2007, 06:28 PM, said:

You know...I'm having serious doubts about Britian's military force. I mean, those 15 soldiers just throw up their hands and surrender without putting up a fight, and now they allow threats to determine who they put in the field.

What's next? They going to withdraw completely if the terrorists threaten to kill the Queen if they don't leave immediately?

I mean they had a perfect opportunity to exploit the fact that Harry was going there, leave the info, capture of kill any who show up to kill Harry...but no, they were cowered into submission.

My GOD.

Don't make the mistake of assuming the "frightened fifteen"; or for that matter political orders being shoved down the chain of command, are representitive of the bulk of British combat arms.

Coincidently, I do agree with you that it was an opportunity wasted- it would seem like a perfect way to thin out the insurgent ranks a little...

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Posted 16 May 2007 - 02:31 PM

View PostRobL, on May 16 2007, 02:06 PM, said:

You forget, its not like you or me going over there. He's got to have his own special security arrangements. Not any fault of his, its just becuase of who he is and what he represents.

And that very argument is basically stating that his life IS more important then the other soldiers serving over there. How many of them have squads to guard them. Either they have faith and trust in their training or not.

Sorry, I just don't buy into the whole: "Harry is more important." line of thought...
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 02:32 PM

View PostDWF, on May 16 2007, 02:18 PM, said:

He's in to the throne if something should happen to William or Prince Charles he becomes king, that's makes him alittle more important than the other soldiers.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it Parliment and the PM that call the shots over there? Not the Monarchy.
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 02:35 PM

View PostSparkyCola, on May 16 2007, 03:06 PM, said:

Try imagining the president's son (if he has one) serving over there. Are you really blind to the obvious potential for danger to the entire troop someone that important is with?

It's got nothing to do with Animal Farm ethics and you know that.

Actually it does.

The whole concept of someone being more valuable, or more worthy of living, is directly involved with Animal Farm politics...and you know that.

And as for Bush, and any son's he had...That doesn't help your argument. Bush is a coward, always has been. I would expect the same from any offspring of his.
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 02:44 PM

In American History We had a military Officer by the name of Theodore Roosvelt Jr. Who was kept out of direct combat operations because he was the Son of one President and the Cousin of the Sitting President at the time.

Harry sadly is the class of people who are not allowed into combet or dangerous areas because they are high value targets.

What would happen if he was kidnapped? A cry for war? Maybe or a call for another appeasement to the kidnappers. Killed either would get people ready to stop caring about what happened in Iraq till they felt apeased or a call for a massive withdraw immedatly.

Harry's life is not that good a risk to take no matter who the government is.
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 03:02 PM

I'm not that surprised: while some will claim that it's just the MOD playing favourites, putting the lives of the other solders in trouble for what would have been a PR stunt just isn't worth it.


View PostLord of the Sword, on May 16 2007, 06:28 PM, said:

I mean, those 15 soldiers just throw up their hands and surrender without putting up a fight
Because, as we've all said before, getting themselves killed and starting yet another war would have been a much better outcome to that situation.

Knock that off or I'm going to the mods.

At least our forces can tell the difference between friendly and hostile units, and don't hide behind their government when they screw up.
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Posted 16 May 2007 - 03:04 PM

View PostG1223, on May 16 2007, 08:44 PM, said:

In American History We had a military Officer by the name of Theodore Roosvelt Jr. Who was kept out of direct combat operations because he was the Son of one President and the Cousin of the Sitting President at the time.
I thought that he hit the beaches on D-Day, or was that just written into The Longest Day?
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