Personally, I think it is pretty peculiar how a thread about the treatment of women has turned to another Irannukeemnodon'tyesdonodon't-sparring, but anyway *shrugs*
One thing that saddens me quite a lot is the extent to which women themselves work on keeping the patriarchic system alive in my country. It is in the way they judge other women, in the way women act themselves, in the goals women set for themselves, in the way women teach and raise their kids.
has already given very good examples of how women are treated in the western civilization (and I do use that term very loosely...), and this treatment is only possible because most women support it.
- How many times have you heard a woman call another woman "slut" (directly or behind her back) because the lady does want to have sex with more than one partner, or another woman, or just with the "wrong" man?
- How many women do you know that don't try to enhance their looks with make-up, hair-dye or whatever because they think that this will make them more attractive? Who taught them this? Moreover, who taught them that a) they have to look good and b) they don't look good the way nature made them?
- How many of you had a woman tell you that there are things women just don't do, for example belching, shouting, getting drunk, hitting on a person, hitting a person, play with tools designed for boys, repairing things, getting jobs that are traditionally done by men,...?
- How many of you have known women who judge other women by their looks, make-up, clothes?
And directed to the women here:
- How many of you have actually done and/or thought any of the above?
- How often have you accepted that a man takes the lead although you have known that you can do it (whatever it was) better or at least as good as he?
- How often have you taken up the role of the host, shopping, cooking, preparing dinner, serving the guests, while nearly the only duty your male partner seems to have is making conversations with the guests. Even when he helped with the dishes, or did the cooking: did you take it for granted, or were you melting away because it was soooo sweet of him to help you? Have you ever stopped to question this role allocation?
- How many of you have called a fellow woman a women's libber just because she said that there is no equality between women and men, and that this is neither "natural nor fair"?
*]How many of you don't have a problem with asking a man to do the lawn mowing, tire exchange, plumbing,.. just because, well, they are chores done by men?
I have done and thought all of the above (except for "things women don't do...", and calling a woman a feminist /women's libber), some of them while already feeling that this is wrong, and I am deeply ashamed that it takes me so long to get rid of these "bad habits".
But one thing I know for certain is that when changes in a society happen, they have never been done by the powerful party in control (which in this case is the male part of the human race). They
don't think anything's wrong with the status quo! (And I do exclude people like Joss Whedon or any guy here who thinks in the same line...) It's always the suppressed, mistreated, seemingly powerless people who have to solidarize and stand up in order to get a better treatment. The truth as I see it is - we have to start with ourselves, our way of thinking, before we point our finger at other people or societies.
*gets off soapbox and makes note to watch Buffy... yet again*