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Can America REALLY Get A Competent President in '08?

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#1 Vapor Trails

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 11:15 AM

Well, if you haven't guessed aleady, I don't consider myself a Democrat OR Republican. Frankly, both parties have tossed around so many bull paddies over the years that I find myself EXTREMELY cynical about anything of substance getting done. I will say that I can't stand Bush, and that I think he's probably the worst president this country has ever had.

Still, just voting for "the other guy"-a.k.a., the Dems-isn't reason enough for me.

Let's cut through the bullsh!t-the sound-bites, the posturing....

What are this country's chances of getting a reasonably competent president in 2008? Someone who will work reasonably well on the home and international fronts? And please, let's be realistic.

I feel frustrated and more cynical than I've ever been in my life when it comes to politics and how this country seems to be running. I'm not sure anyone can get me out of this cynicism, but you're welcome to try.
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#2 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 11:25 AM

View PostDigital Man, on May 24 2007, 12:15 PM, said:

Let's cut through the bullsh!t-the sound-bites, the posturing....

What are this country's chances of getting a reasonably competent president in 2008? Someone who will work reasonably well on the home and international fronts? And please, let's be realistic.

Honestly? I seriously doubt it. What we'll get is a politican that will make all sort of promises, and once elected will systematically begin breaking those promises. It never fails. Something about Politics just seems to automatically corrupt people, and destroy whatever common sense they had before being elected.

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I feel frustrated and more cynical than I've ever been in my life when it comes to politics and how this country seems to be running. I'm not sure anyone can get me out of this cynicism, but you're welcome to try.

I feel your frustration. Personally I don't trust ANYONE that WANTS to be in positions of power. I much rather see our elected officials chosen the way we chose Jurors.
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#3 Kosh

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 11:50 AM

If it were today, and a general election, I'd vote Obama. I'm not happy about it yet, cause I still haven't seen enough of him, but he crushed the rest in the debates except Hillary, and I think the Clinton name will evenually bring her down.
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#4 Tricia

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 12:03 PM

Too many candidates for both parties so far and I'm exhausted wading thru their histories, positions etc.

No one impresses me enough yet to say that I would definitely vote for them.

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I feel frustrated and more cynical than I've ever been in my life when it comes to politics and how this country seems to be running. I'm not sure anyone can get me out of this cynicism, but you're welcome to try.

Let's have a party for all the cynical and frustrated folks out there...and there's lots of us.

So I can't be too encouraging or break you out of the same emotions that I am feeling.  

I want to find someone who can be competent and at least start the hard work of fixing the mess this country is in....but so far I'm not seeing him or her amongst the ones running.

A book I read long ago made a huge impression on me as far as the politicial process. I want to say it was a Robert Heinlein book but do not remember which one....but in it the President was basically drafted to serve based on their actual qualifications not politics because those who were truly qualified and able to do the job did not actively seek it.

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#5 sierraleone

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 12:04 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on May 24 2007, 12:25 PM, said:

View PostDigital Man, on May 24 2007, 12:15 PM, said:

Let's cut through the bullsh!t-the sound-bites, the posturing....

What are this country's chances of getting a reasonably competent president in 2008? Someone who will work reasonably well on the home and international fronts? And please, let's be realistic.

Honestly? I seriously doubt it. What we'll get is a politican that will make all sort of promises, and once elected will systematically begin breaking those promises. It never fails. Something about Politics just seems to automatically corrupt people, and destroy whatever common sense they had before being elected.

Well honestly sometimes they can't. For example the democrats cannot pass anything unless they got support either from republicans or Bush doesn't veto. Or new information can make one of their ideas seem bad. But I'd rather they be honest instead of trying to spin it and omit and lie to make it seem everything is going as planned.
Also, I know its different in the U.S. w/ the two party system... but here in Canada, we have a party that was voted in power w/ 36% of the vote... so they ended up w/ 40% of the seats... so when speak of a mandate I kinda roll my eyes.
Its something I think politicans should think on, there are people you are representing that did NOT vote for you.
Though in the U.S. it may be at worse around 50 % as opposed to around 64% for Canada's largest party right now ;)
Not to override the mandate the 'majority' gave them, but as a consideration because they do matter too. Also, not everyone votes as a "For this candidate" thing, but somethings as an "Against another candidate" thing too.

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I feel frustrated and more cynical than I've ever been in my life when it comes to politics and how this country seems to be running. I'm not sure anyone can get me out of this cynicism, but you're welcome to try.

I feel your frustration. Personally I don't trust ANYONE that WANTS to be in positions of power. I much rather see our elected officials chosen the way we chose Jurors.

You might want to make sure there was a way to make sure they were qualified.... had the basic skills, knowledge... etc.... one thing though, is that the same way you'd pick the advisors? As... if Joe or Jane Blow got elected they wouldn't know who to pick, would have any networking or connections to make good choices... and heck could become victim of people who lie to President Ignorant.
Of course some may argue we have that now w/ Yes Men & Women advising the President, but I don't want to get this topic sidetracked ;)

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#6 Zwolf

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 12:46 PM

It's going to be a mess, no matter what happens.  

I'll list the candidates, and give my impressions of 'em.  I admit I'm ignorant on a lot of these people, because I've had no real reason to follow them yet, so my impressions will often be based on extremely shallow criteria.  I figure many of 'em won't make it through (or even to) the primaries, but if they do, I'll have to start reading up on 'em...

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Candidates for the Democratic Party:

Senator Joe Biden of Delaware  - I have liked this guy at times, but he did enough stupid things to totally lose me, and I can't imagine that he'd stop screwing up if he were elected.  I don't have confidence in him.


Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton - I think she'd actually be pretty competent and might do a decent job... but, I don't like her, and I know she'd be a very devisive president, because most Dems don't like her much, and the right wing absolutely hates her, with a rabid, insane passion.  Much of that is the result of Pavlovian training instead of reality, but, still, it's there.  I think she'd be competent, but, due to the factor of public reaction to her, she's not a good choice.

Senator Christopher Dodd - I haven't paid any attention to this guy.

Former Senator John Edwards - I think he's a good guy, basically, beauty-shop vanity aside, but, I dunno, he just doesn't inspire a lot of confidence somehow.  I fear another Jimmy Carter here... a nice guy with good intentions but without the personal force to back it up.  And being part of Kerry's campaign didn't help... anybody who lost to what's probably the worst president ever isn't gonna get real high marks...


Former Senator Mike Gravel  - I know little about him, but I believe him to be some sort of a nut. :)

Representative Dennis Kucinich - if I catch ye, me boy, I'll make ye give up yer pot o' gold!  This guy is an absolute dolt, totally unviable, and should go back to his hollow tree and make us some cookies.  Get da f*** outta here, Dennis, quit foolin' yourself!

Senator Barack Obama - I like this guy.  This guy is a great communicator, and that's one of a president's main jobs.  This guy could be Ronald Reagan without all the crappy stuff.

Governor Bill Richardson - don't know enough about him to say anything.


Retired General Wesley Clark - had a poor showing in '04, but I like him... I think he could be good.

Former Vice President Al Gore - if he runs, he'll win.  And I think he could be a good president, but he has that Hilary factor... the right wing has a weird, unreasonable hatred of the man, based on nothing of any real substance other than they've been told they're supposed to hate 'im, so they do.  That could hurt his presidency, but, just on his own merits, I think he has promise.

Republican Party

Senator Sam Brownback - I don't know much about this guy yet.

John H. Cox - couldn't pick him out of a lineup.

Former Governor Jim Gilmore - ditto.

Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani - frankly, I think he's crazy.  I don't mind all of his policies, he's got reasonable ideas, but I don't trust him at all.  I think we might find him in the Oval Office some day, covered in his own poo shouting that he's Thor, The Son of Odin or something.  Way too unbalanced.

Former Governor Mike Huckabee - don't know enough about him to form an opinon.  (I shoulda watched the debates, but it's too early in the campaign for me to get too interested yet).

Representative Duncan Hunter - again, I dunno.

Senator John McCain - at one time I really liked this guy, but he's let me down, again and again and again... some of which (defrauding the American people with his Iraq photo-op) really ticked me off.  So, I don't like him anymore.  That said, if he did get elected, he could be a decent president.  The potential is there, even though I'm no longer a fan.

Representative Ron Paul -  I dunno.

Former Governor Mitt Romney - I don't know enough about his policies (other than I don't think expanding Gitmo is a great idea), but on a personal level he seems like a nice, likeable sort of guy.  That doesn't say anything about his ability to govern, but... he seems okay.

Representative Tom Tancredo - this guy is a white supremacist and shouldn't even be eligible to run, and, frankly, I hope he falls on a f***ing rake.

Former Governor Tommy Thompson - again, I dunno.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich - this guy would destroy the country within three years.  He's an extremist idiot, and if the Republicans voted for him they'd be much bigger hypocrites than I give 'em credit for.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg - I don't know much about him, but I hear good things.

Senator Chuck Hagel - isn't this guy a bit weird?

Former Senator and actor Fred Thompson - I don't watch his show, but he could be okay...

And that's all I've got, which admittedly ain't much...

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#7 Captain Jack

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 03:56 PM

Two words:  We're screwed.

There seems to be some hope that Fred Thompson will run.  You know, the politician turned actor on Law and Order?  He won't be returning for the next season, so that should be a clue.  He may be a good candidate, and a whole lot better than the other clowns running.  Only time will tell.
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#8 Kosh

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Posted 24 May 2007 - 04:03 PM

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Former Governor Mitt Romney - I don't know enough about his policies (other than I don't think expanding Gitmo is a great idea), but on a personal level he seems like a nice, likeable sort of guy. That doesn't say anything about his ability to govern, but... he seems okay.

Mitt has brought a whole new meaning to flip floping. After he announced, he changed almost every position he held, on a whole lot of issues to make them more plalatable for Conservatives. He was to hard core for most. I think he would be far worst then what we have now.
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