QueenTiye, on Jun 1 2007, 06:38 AM, said:
RobL, on May 31 2007, 10:17 PM, said:
The dose of fiscal reality isn't what's the cheap shot. The cheap shot is the claim that the US "can't" provide free universal health care. Of course the US "can." We just won't. And - given some of your other comments, I'm surprised you disagree. We are funding (as you said) innovation in medicine - so health care costs are rising, and the cost of paying for universal access has to be borne some how. Obama's plan will certainly raise taxes, as will any other. But "universal free health care" such as we are being charged with not "providing" will be astronomical in cost - and the majority of Americans don't want to foot the bill.
You say that, but then YOU
aren't getting 40% of your paycheck withheld for tax and SSI. At some point, its got to end.
I'm all for paying my fair share. What I'm not for is paying for some welfare queen to live off my tax dollars, and then expect me to pay for everyone else's health care. My employer already pays for my health insurance. Taking away that and giving me some other crappy government-funded sh*t program which will probably make the VA system look like the pinnacle of the healthcare system is BS in every sense of the word.
The liberals need to keep their money grubbing hands off my wallet, and start trimming the fat off their own pork-barrel to pay for their pet projects.
Hold on a minute, RobL
. Based upon WHAT precisely, are you determining how much gets withheld from my paycheck? What information do YOU
have that allows you to assert what I am and am not having withheld?
Because of your kid, you have more deductions than I do. I'm in the max tax bracket, and no matter how you argue it, there is no way you can be paying more than me percentage wise, unless your Donald Trump or some other mega-millionare.
Moreover - what the heck are you talking about? My assertion was precisely the same as yours - that we don't WANT to give up our existing insurance solutions - so finding a way to cover the uninsured can't involve taking from those who have. Did you read my comments at all, or did you just show up in the thread to start stuff for no good reason?
I'm talking about your assertion that we cannot afford to NOT do something. We can very well deal with this problem with the private sector. Its simple: If you can't get a job that has medical insurance, then go out, get an education, and find one that does. I did. And If I could, then so can every single person in this country.
Have you not noticed that every single thing
the government does, it does f*ck*d up? From taxes to the war, its all universally f*ck*d up. Health care will be so messed up, that most, if not all, of us will not be able to get the care we need. At least now, I've got my own private insurance so that I don't HAVE to rely on the government. (In fact, I will NEVER trust the federal government to do anything other than take money out of my pocket every April 15th).
And if you don't like my attitude, tough. Two things that I will not stand for are the infringement of the second amendment, and the government taking money from me for their own pork barrel. And if you don't think this "government health care" won't be riddled with pork barrel, then you're nuts.