Una Salus Lillius, on Jun 11 2003, 12:53 PM, said:
In this case you are right. It presupposes all of these things. Because in this case if you don't agree with me I think you *are* wrong. That's the way I feel about it and I'm not ashamed to say so at all.
In my view there ARE no moral rights or wrong to sexuality. It just is.
And you have a right to your opinions. I'm just pointing out that that's what it is.
QT, what if we substitute people of color for homosexuality.
What if I say something like "Oh yeah those people totally deserve to be equal under the law but I sure wouldn't want my daughter dating one."
Or, if you think it's a matter of choice, let's use religion instead.
"Oh yeah, Jews don't deserve any kind of persecution but I sure wouldn't want my daughter marrying one."
Would you agree that I have "issues" with people of color or Jews.
Yes - being born a particular color is not a choice, and until it is proven that homosexuality is not a choice, I would never make this comparison.
On a religious question - I can think of at least one good reason for someone saying they wouldn't want their daughter marrying outside of their own religion. Stating it as you worded it, I would assume some sort of bigotry was present, but there are lots of people who believe that you should marry within your own religion. Including lots of Jewish people. So a reticence on this issue is one that I would not automatically consider bigotry.
Why is it different for homosexuals?
Because it's in the bible? Because it's sexuality?
Let's rephrase the question. Is it wrong for someone to believe their religion is THE WAY? You may not agree with them, and you may not like their absolute position - but they have a right to their belief. And there are corrollaries. People who believe their religion is THE WAY may feel compelled to share that with others - they may feel it is their moral duty to help others find THE WAY. And they may feel that it is essentially irresponsible to compromise on the issue.
Yet - some will say that this attitude is inherently bigotted - discriminating against people of other faiths. In a way, they would be right. If I think my religion is right, and yours is wrong - then that's my opinion - and my actions are going to follow suit. I'm going to discriminate against you on some level - because I might try to proselytize you - inherently judging you as being in the wrong until you worship the way I do. Notwithstanding - this is an issue of conscience... and our country made freedom of conscience a hallmark from its earliest foundation.
Until homosexuality is ESTABLISHED to be something that is NOT a matter of conscience - I have a right to make my conscience my guide in my opinions here - and I have a right not to be discriminated against or ridiculed for the free exercise of conscience.
Lil (p.s., I would be less likely to come out of the shoot with a loaded word like homophobe if I hadn't been preemptively called a liar first.
In this, all I'll say is re-read the argument being made. I won't agree or disagree with it - I'll only point out that it is a different way of thinking.