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#1 Rov Judicata

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 09:26 AM

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State lawmakers - experts at larding the budget, adept at feasting on political pork, often called fat-heads themselves - now want a "fat tax" on obesity-linked snacks, soft drinks and junk foods.

"We have to act now to prevent a ticking time bomb that will overwhelm our health-care system and resources in the coming years," said the chief sponsor of the measure, Brooklyn Democratic Assemblyman Felix Ortiz.

"Just as people pay attention to smoking, we need to pay attention to obesity."

Ortiz, who last year brought about the ban on driving while holding a cell phone, said a 1 percent "junk-food tax" may be just what the doctor ordered.

His aides said such a levy would raise "tens of millions of dollars" a year - to be earmarked for educational programs to convince the public to restrict their high-fat food intake.

Ortiz's proposal, still in the drafting stage, faces an uncertain future in the Legislature.

 

"The real tragedy is that most nutrition-related health problems are preventable, and we owe it to our children to give them the opportunity to become healthy, productive adults," said Ortiz, citing federal figures showing that nearly 300,000 deaths a year are linked to obesity.

Ortiz said he also may recommend new taxes on video games and television commercials, because New Yorkers are getting fat spending too much time in front of the TV screen.

"A new excuse for a new tax is the last thing we need," responded state Business Council spokesman Matt Maguire.

"New York's most pressing fat problem is the fat in the state budget," Maguire added.

A representative of the state Dietetic Association testified at a hearing conducted by Ortiz that 30 percent of all family food now comes from often-fatty restaurant take-out.

Ortiz cited statistics showing that New York has a higher childhood-obesity rate than the national average.

He said figures show that 22 percent of black, 20 percent of Latino, and 19 percent of white sixth-grade children in New York City are overweight.

Utterly despicable. "Let's pretend revenue raising is compassion!"
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Posted 12 June 2003 - 09:40 AM

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"Let's pretend revenue raising is compassion!"

You have it exactly. If they were really serious, they'd put the "fat tax" high enough to dissuade consumers from purchasing high-fat items. But they'll only add a tax that's as high as the market can bear. That way they can still rake in the cash. Cigarette and alcohol taxes are exactly the same. The government WANTS people to buy cigarettes. If they didn't, they'd be twice the price. It's not about helping people . . . it's just a cynical attempt to raise more revenue.
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Posted 12 June 2003 - 10:21 AM

While in theory I don't have a problem with "sin taxes" as a revenue source, this feels uncomfortably like the no-fat, no-cigs, no-sex, no-fun future of "Demolition Man."

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 10:38 AM

Although I'm highly allergic to cigarette smoke, I've long been wary of the "punish smokers" crowd, and I used to joke with them that I was protecting smokers' rights because some day the same crowd would come after my Big Macs. I guess it wasn't such a joke.

And remember that Woody allen predicted in "Sleeper" that medical science would finally discover that hot fudge sundaes were a health food.  :p

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 10:38 AM

Alrighty then.

Behold the day when Cardie, Lil, Zack, Drew, and Rov have all agreed on the SAME political issue!

:eek:  :eek2:  :eek:

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Edited by Una Salus Lillius, 12 June 2003 - 10:39 AM.

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 10:48 AM

Cardie, on Jun 11 2003, 06:42 PM, said:

And remember that Woody allen predicted in "Sleeper" that medical science would finally discover that hot fudge sundaes were a health food.  :p
And that smoking was good for you. "Inhale deeply! Be sure to get the smoke deep down into your lungs!" (Or something like that.)  :cool:
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Posted 12 June 2003 - 11:07 AM

^ oh, its ok, I could probably find today you guys having a heated discussion elsewhere  :p ;) :D  :blush: Just find another thread  ;)  :blush:

For the record, I agree to. If they were serious it wouldn't be 1 %  :rolleyes:

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 11:16 AM

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Ortiz said he also may recommend new taxes on video games and television commercials, because New Yorkers are getting fat spending too much time in front of the TV screen.

I'm so glad my government has my best interests in mind!

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 12:58 PM

Well everyone knows where I weight in on smoking but this is silly.  That said it is exactly what I expect to see coming from a NYC Assemblymen.  As loony as our legislature can be this one will be shot down.      

This one probably sent Governor Pataki bouncing off a few well placed walls.  Im betting this is more of a product of the recent budget/tax disputes in the legislature then anything to do with public health.  All together it is part of the ongoing battle between NYC and Upstate NY that is really one of the dominating factors in NY politics.  The legislature feels the way out of the recent fiscal problems is to raise all the taxes and do nothing about spending.  

Pataki has taken the other route and been fighting them every step of the way with Joe Bruno (Republican Senate Majority Leader) stabbing him in the back on that issue giving over enough votes to override the veto of the budget.  Pataki took one large blow on that one and I think he is still largely attempting to recover on that one.  Im betting this is an issue that hell stand and fight them on.  The good news is Joe Bruno is saying he wont support this one no matter what.  So this one should die in the legislature or at the hands of Pataki.  Now here is hoping Silver is stupid enough to stick out his neck to support it
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Posted 12 June 2003 - 01:38 PM

Una Salus Lillius, on Jun 11 2003, 04:42 PM, said:

Alrighty then.

Behold the day when Cardie, Lil, Zack, Drew, and Rov have all agreed on the SAME political issue!

:eek:  :eek2:  :eek:

:wideeyed:
And CJ.

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 02:45 PM

Javert Rovinski, on Jun 12 2003, 02:42 AM, said:

And CJ.
Nothing new here.   Ive been dreading what comes out of the NYC for years in terms of public policy ;)  :p
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Posted 12 June 2003 - 03:02 PM

Javert Rovinski, on Jun 11 2003, 08:42 PM, said:

Una Salus Lillius, on Jun 11 2003, 04:42 PM, said:

Alrighty then.

Behold the day when Cardie, Lil, Zack, Drew, and Rov have all agreed on the SAME political issue!

:eek:  :eek2:  :eek:

:wideeyed:
And CJ.

The end is nigh. :wideeyed:
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Posted 12 June 2003 - 03:09 PM

mystic, on Jun 12 2003, 04:06 AM, said:

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See she thinks she is cute.......  :p ;)   Oh wait nevermind she got me..... :angel:  

And I think the absurdity of some of the politics in Albany is something we can all agree on.  Long live seccesion from downstate. :unsure:
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Posted 12 June 2003 - 03:09 PM

SO next up for NYC a Common sense tax. this will nto work as it seems no one living there has any. :rolleyes:
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Posted 12 June 2003 - 03:25 PM

And we're surprised that New York wants to do something stupid? How about we just seize the legeslators paychecks until they pass a budget on time? Maybe then they'll actually do their jobs. At least I've only got a couple of months before I leave this inept state.
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Posted 12 June 2003 - 03:35 PM

Drew, on Jun 11 2003, 04:44 PM, said:

If they were really serious, they'd put the "fat tax" high enough to dissuade consumers from purchasing high-fat items. But they'll only add a tax that's as high as the market can bear. That way they can still rake in the cash. Cigarette and alcohol taxes are exactly the same. The government WANTS people to buy cigarettes. If they didn't, they'd be twice the price. It's not about helping people . . . it's just a cynical attempt to raise more revenue.
I agree. These days the government is in all the same rackets organized crime used to have an exclusive hold on - booze, cigarettes, gambling, protection money - everything except prostitution and drugs. Adding in new taxes like a Fat Tax would only increase the scope of their greed. They should just forget about this and stick to balancing their books.
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Posted 12 June 2003 - 07:38 PM

Javert Rovinski, on Jun 11 2003, 07:42 PM, said:

And CJ.

The end is nigh. :wideeyed:
And Jon too...

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 07:43 PM

And me  :crazy: add me to that chorus

the US doesn't even have the minimal excuse that it's a nanny state and therefore has the right to meddle in the lives of thei citizens like the UK does

Edited by Godeskian, 12 June 2003 - 07:50 PM.

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Posted 12 June 2003 - 09:14 PM

UoR11, on Jun 12 2003, 04:29 AM, said:

How about we just seize the legeslators paychecks until they pass a budget on time? Maybe then they'll actually do their jobs.
NY Budget on time?  :o  :o  The halls of the Capitol would freeze over and take half the region with it if the budget came on time.  Id be happy to just have the nonsense stop coming out of NYC/downstate or at least Upstate gain enough of a power boost to start killing off more of the nonsense.
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Posted 13 June 2003 - 12:28 PM

Chances for approval of New York 'fat tax' look slim

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Chances of the proposal passing before lawmakers go home for the summer on June 19 looked slim after a spokesman for Republican Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno said he would not support the tax.

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