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#1 Nonny

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 10:03 AM

Teenage Birth Rate Rises for First Time Since ’91

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WASHINGTON, Dec. 5 — The birth rate among teenagers 15 to 19 in the United States rose 3 percent in 2006, according to a report issued Wednesday, the first such increase since 1991. The finding surprised scholars and fueled a debate about whether the Bush administration’s abstinence-only sexual education efforts are working.

The federal government spends $176 million annually on such programs. But a landmark study recently failed to demonstrate that they have any effect on delaying sexual activity among teenagers, and some studies suggest that they may actually increase pregnancy rates.

“Spending tens of million of tax dollars each year on programs that hurt our children is bad medicine and bad public policy,” said Dr. David A. Grimes, vice president of Family Health International, a nonprofit reproductive health organization based in North Carolina....
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Posted 06 December 2007 - 10:13 AM

Agreed. Abstinence promotion without education on birth control and the like only leads to kids growing up ignorant. I can't see how letting kids know what's out there would make them all sluts or whatever. Knowing there are murderers doesn't make most kids think, "hey, I should do that!" Same with drugs, alcohol, etc. The more kids know, the better prepared they are to make informed decisions about things that will inevitably occur in their lives.

But whatev. If I have kids, I'll probably make the same moronic mistakes as everyone else, so I'll throw no stones.

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 11:16 AM

View PostAnnibal, on Dec 6 2007, 03:13 PM, said:

But whatev. If I have kids, I'll probably make the same moronic mistakes as everyone else, so I'll throw no stones.

But there's a difference between making your own mistakes and saying that the government should be doing all the education.

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 11:45 AM

Shockingly, everybody blames what they disliked anyway instead of looking for empirical evidence.

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Robert Rector, a senior research fellow with the Heritage Foundation, said that blaming abstinence-only programs was “stupid.” Mr. Rector said that most young women who became pregnant were highly educated about contraceptives but wanted to have babies.

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But recent advances in AIDS treatments have lowered concerns about the disease, and AIDS education efforts, which emphasized abstinence and condom use, have flagged.

Perhaps as a result, teenage sex rates have risen since 2001 and condom use has dropped since 2003.

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“Spending tens of million of tax dollars each year on programs that hurt our children is bad medicine and bad public policy,” said Dr. David A. Grimes, vice president of Family Health International, a nonprofit reproductive health organization based in North Carolina.

Okay. So, is the incrase driven by a decrease in fear of AIDS, a genuine desire among teenagers to have babies early, or are they truly unaware of how to use contraception? That's an empirical, not ideological, question. Would it kill the NY Times (or somebody) to hire Gallup to run a survey of the sample and ask? Each one of those causes calls for very different solutions.

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 01:58 PM

Generally, I think abstinence-only sex ed leads to teenagers saying "we won't have sex, we'll wait", then they end up having sex anyway. Then, since they didn't think they were going to have sex, they aren't prepared and don't have a condom to hand. I can also imagine use of contraception having something to do with it, since if they're only been taught abstinence, they won't know how to use it.
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Posted 06 December 2007 - 02:08 PM

View PostJuris Rovvius, on Dec 6 2007, 08:45 AM, said:

Would it kill the NY Times (or somebody) to hire Gallup to run a survey of the sample and ask? Each one of those causes calls for very different solutions.

It might not kill them, but I've heard erectile dysfunction can be a serious side effect.  :p

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 02:19 PM

Teenagers will have sex*, and there's no point in telling them not to. You've just got to teach them how to do it safely.


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Posted 06 December 2007 - 04:30 PM

please...."safe sex" education didn't teach stupid teens not to do it....so don't blame abstinence only education for it.  put the blame where it belongs--on the PARENTS.

my parents taught me better--and :gasp!: i made it all the way through high school without sleeping around (or sleeping with ANYONE, for you picky people :rolleyes:).  the problem is parents who don't teach their children that sleeping around is NOT appropriate.  if mine were able to do it, so can others.

but i know--that's too HARD in today's world...so it's more convenient to blame the schools and anyone who directs them instead.

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 04:42 PM

I'd imagine it's painful to birth a teenager.

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 04:43 PM

View PostCheile, on Dec 6 2007, 09:30 PM, said:

please...."safe sex" education didn't teach stupid teens not to do it....so don't blame abstinence only education for it.  put the blame where it belongs--on the PARENTS.

my parents taught me better--and :gasp!: i made it all the way through high school without sleeping around (or sleeping with ANYONE, for you picky people :rolleyes:).  the problem is parents who don't teach their children that sleeping around is NOT appropriate.  if mine were able to do it, so can others.

but i know--that's too HARD in today's world...so it's more convenient to blame the schools and anyone who directs them instead.

I don't see anything wrong with teenagers of a legal age sleeping together, as long as they are responsible and use protection. It doesn't make them "stupid".
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Posted 07 December 2007 - 09:02 AM

I seem to remember we had a thread about a particular school or district starting to hand out condoms recently. I clearly remember one of the kids being quoted as saying she felt like that was giving her permission to have sex.
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Posted 07 December 2007 - 09:16 AM

View PostAlica, on Dec 6 2007, 10:58 AM, said:

Generally, I think abstinence-only sex ed leads to teenagers saying "we won't have sex, we'll wait", then they end up having sex anyway. Then, since they didn't think they were going to have sex, they aren't prepared and don't have a condom to hand. I can also imagine use of contraception having something to do with it, since if they're only been taught abstinence, they won't know how to use it.
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Posted 07 December 2007 - 09:19 AM

View PostAnastashia, on Dec 7 2007, 06:02 AM, said:

I seem to remember we had a thread about a particular school or district starting to hand out condoms recently. I clearly remember one of the kids being quoted as saying she felt like that was giving her permission to have sex.
I vaguely remember that.  Did they hand them out or make them available?  Did they force them on kids who didn't want them?  I don't remember the details, but I'd be surprised if they made the kids take them and I didn't remember that.  Did the kid who said she felt like it was permission say she felt she needed permission to have sex?  Or that she felt she no longer had permission not to have sex?  

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Posted 07 December 2007 - 02:00 PM

View PostNonny, on Dec 7 2007, 09:19 AM, said:

View PostAnastashia, on Dec 7 2007, 06:02 AM, said:

I seem to remember we had a thread about a particular school or district starting to hand out condoms recently. I clearly remember one of the kids being quoted as saying she felt like that was giving her permission to have sex.
I vaguely remember that.  Did they hand them out or make them available?  Did they force them on kids who didn't want them?  I don't remember the details, but I'd be surprised if they made the kids take them and I didn't remember that.  Did the kid who said she felt like it was permission say she felt she needed permission to have sex?  Or that she felt she no longer had permission not to have sex?  

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They were either trying to decide whether to make them available or planing too. She said she thought the availability gave her permission to go ahead. Presumably that meant she didn't feel she could go ahead before the availability. I'm thinking she meant their being available implied it was ok to go ahead if she wanted to while before it somehow wasn't.
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Posted 07 December 2007 - 09:13 PM

View PostAnastashia, on Dec 7 2007, 11:00 AM, said:

View PostNonny, on Dec 7 2007, 09:19 AM, said:

View PostAnastashia, on Dec 7 2007, 06:02 AM, said:

I seem to remember we had a thread about a particular school or district starting to hand out condoms recently. I clearly remember one of the kids being quoted as saying she felt like that was giving her permission to have sex.
I vaguely remember that.  Did they hand them out or make them available?  Did they force them on kids who didn't want them?  I don't remember the details, but I'd be surprised if they made the kids take them and I didn't remember that.  Did the kid who said she felt like it was permission say she felt she needed permission to have sex?  Or that she felt she no longer had permission not to have sex?  

Ignorance is not bliss, where sex is concerned.

They were either trying to decide whether to make them available or planing too. She said she thought the availability gave her permission to go ahead. Presumably that meant she didn't feel she could go ahead before the availability. I'm thinking she meant their being available implied it was ok to go ahead if she wanted to while before it somehow wasn't.
Sounds like she's not the sharpest pencil in the box.  With an understanding like that, she could be easy pickin's for some boy.    :unsure:
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Posted 07 December 2007 - 11:17 PM

View PostJuris Rovvius, on Dec 6 2007, 08:45 AM, said:

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Robert Rector, a senior research fellow with the Heritage Foundation, said that blaming abstinence-only programs was “stupid.” Mr. Rector said that most young women who became pregnant were highly educated about contraceptives but wanted to have babies.

Is there a female in the room who believes this? :sarcasm:

My b*llsh*t meter just broke. :sarcasm:  Teenage girls do not plan to have babies - they screw around and end up with them because they're in a hormone haze and don't use contraception. And some are dumber than dirt and do it multiple times. They're no more intelligent about sex than teenage boys (if possibly not as perpetually horney :p).

And I wouldn't have problems with teaching abstinence if ways and means of birth control were also taught. The Pixie is right - they're going to mess around anyway and without being taught ways and means of birth control they're just doing it unprotected. And that's just dandy - get pregnant AND get AIDS.

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Posted 09 December 2007 - 11:35 PM

View PostRhea, on Dec 7 2007, 08:17 PM, said:

Is there a female in the room who believes this? :sarcasm:

My b*llsh*t meter just broke. :sarcasm:  Teenage girls do not plan to have babies - they screw around and end up with them because they're in a hormone haze and don't use contraception. And some are dumber than dirt and do it multiple times. They're no more intelligent about sex than teenage boys (if possibly not as perpetually horney :p).

actually considering some of the Maury shows i've seen, i don't think this guy is BSing as much as you think, Rhea.

there ARE plenty of stupid teen girls out there who want a baby and/or try to plan for one because they think it will make them special/independent/etc.  that's not ALL of them, of course--but there IS a percentage of them who do deliberately get knocked up.

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I don't see anything wrong with teenagers of a legal age sleeping together, as long as they are responsible and use protection. It doesn't make them "stupid".

because around here and in most countries, a legal adult is eighteen.  NOT a teenager.  teenagers = minors.  teenagers = not responsible.

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 01:36 AM

View PostCheile, on Dec 10 2007, 04:35 AM, said:

there ARE plenty of stupid teen girls out there who want a baby and/or try to plan for one because they think it will make them special/independent/etc.  that's not ALL of them, of course--but there IS a percentage of them who do deliberately get knocked up.

It's not always stupidity, sometimes it's very, very sad. I knew a girl who, at 16, wanted a baby. She had one, was very happy about it, so really since she was a good mum, the dad was just as active as her even though he was young too, I suppose it should have been fine. It was just that she said she wanted a baby because she hadn't achieved anything in her life, and was desperate to make some sort of achievement. Do I think that makes her a bad mother? No, she was actually quite a good one. Do I think she did it to be special? No. I just think the type of society we have today, that can make a 16-year-old girl feel so desperate for self-worth because she hasn't achieved anything yet, is quite awful, but it's the way it is. I hope she's happy, and I think she'll raise her child very well, but I wish she hadn't been so brought down that she'd had to have a baby for some form of self-worth.

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because around here and in most countries, a legal adult is eighteen. NOT a teenager. teenagers = minors. teenagers = not responsible.

Well, if the legal age for sex where you are is 18, then no one should have sex before then. Here's it's 16. OTOH: Not much you can do to stop two 15-year-olds having sex. As far as I've noticed (and it hasn't been that long) the age of consent only increases the stigma to do it earlier.

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Posted 10 December 2007 - 07:47 AM

Nonny, for once I agree with you.  Everyone should know about condoms and pills and all that jazz, but especially condoms.  CONDOMS, PEOPLE!!!!  Seriously, with STD's spreading like Xmas chear, they should really put more emphasis on that.
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Posted 10 December 2007 - 07:48 AM

View PostPixiedust, on Dec 10 2007, 01:36 AM, said:

Well, if the legal age for sex where you are is 18, then no one should have sex before then. Here's it's 16. OTOH: Not much you can do to stop two 15-year-olds having sex. As far as I've noticed (and it hasn't been that long) the age of consent only increases the stigma to do it earlier.

It's 16 in Michigan where I'm from, too.
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