scherzo, on Dec 19 2007, 11:21 PM, said:
Balderdash, on Dec 19 2007, 09:35 PM, said:
scherzo, on Dec 19 2007, 04:08 PM, said:
It always makes folks nervous when someone suggests they take personal responsibility for their circumstances. I think what Solar Wind wrote makes perfect sense, and reflects not a lack of "empathy", but rather a clear understanding of both the science and psychology of this issue.
There is no one in this thread that is saying not to take personal responsibility. Where did you read that?
Here's what I read:
A poster very carefully explained why he thought people held the bulk of responsibility for their own individual weight.
OTHER posters didn't like that very much.
If along the way, I missed an extended car chase, or the killer's true identity...let me know.
Sarcasm aside, the issue here is that there are a lot of factors that get in the way of people effectively being responsible in this area. The physiological and psychological effects of weight loss are documented, and highly challenging to combat. So when people talk about personal responsibility, it is important to remember that that personal responsibility is quite a bit overarching from what the average person has to do to be personally responsible. It takes a LOT more of this capacity of personal responsibility, and against greater obstacles, to lose weight, than it does to maintain weight. So - talking about it in a way that sounds like it's just that
simple does make people uncomfortable... because every honest person knows - it's not.
For instance - I was just reading a couple of weeks ago about a study done on fat people exercising. The study was dealing with the fact that fitness trainers rarely take into account the way fat moves on a body that is exercising. Fat moves A LOT, and therefore creates strains on the bones and ligaments that a more healthy sized person never has to worry about, and, of course, making exercise more problematic for already fat people. This, of course, is a nasty catch-22, because already fat people NEED the exercise, as part of a weight loss regiment. When a fat person says it hurts to exercise - they aren't just being lazy - they're telling about a real problem. So too women with very large breasts - breast movement is a huge deterrent to exercise for some women... it hurts to have their breasts bouncing all over the place, and it is unhealthy for the breast. Easily solved with effective restraints, but just a side thing to think about that you don't always realize.
So yes - personal responsibility is something we all agree on, but the nuance being sought is the recognition of how much more of a challenge this really is to people who have problems with their weight.