Bad Wolf, on Jan 25 2008, 02:37 PM, said:
Hibblette, on Jan 25 2008, 12:21 PM, said:
Yes...they have the right to do what they're doing. But you know what someone else has the right to get in their face and tell them what they think. So then someone else will take offense to that and before you know what a fist will fly.
You're absolutely right. But unless a demonstrable threat of violence is present they have a right to march. JUST like the KKK in Skokie, and for the exact same reasons.
There is also this to think about...when these people do this they are infringing on the party that is in mourning. It is their event. Of course this is the same mentality of the white supremests who show up at MLK parades and march with their hoods on.
The KKK in skokie wanted to march in a Jewish neighborhood. Their purpose was hate mongering. And unless there's going to be a ban on ANY kind of demonstration at the funeral (a scenario I highly doubt), they can't keep Phelps out just on the basis of the content of his speech any more than they could prevent the march in skokie based on the content of that speech. Now if there's a rule about trespassing or something that is uniformly enforced then that's a different story. But at the funeral of a public figure like this I expect the press to be all over it. And I know they'd squawk if someone tried to keep them out.
We start pre-emptively telling people what they can say because we don't like their politics it opens the door for someone to pre-emptively tell US what we can say because they don't like OUR politics. G's point is that one price of freedom is the allowance of unpopular speech (with limits such as inciting riot or the like). And he's absolutely right.
Phelps is not christian. He is the anti Christian. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
I don't think we ought to insult wolves by comparing them to this poor excuse for humanity. He's a hate monger and he sullies the name of Christianity by claiming he is one.
Edited to add that there's also the precedent already set by that idiotic case where a jury awarded millions in punitive damages for "invasion of privacy" to that family of the g.i. So maybe that will act as a deterrent (though like I said, that decision was idiotic -in my not so humble opinion of course-)
See-in my opinion, the way to stop it is to be confrontational.
People like Phelps would slink off to the hole they came out of if people would stand up to him.
And why not? In my opinion, the funeral would be ruined-might as well face the dirty little toad. And I'm not talking about shouting, yelling or fisticuffs-I'm talking about discussing with the bible in hand and addressing what they are protesting about.
But see I would never be given this opportunity because his bunch would know better then to take a family on like mine. We do not shrink away-we are known for it and you can't tell me that he doesn't assess the situation.
Something that Mr. Phelps is not realizing (along with a few others) People are fast getting to the point of being tired of this BS, and I don't mean they want to take their freedom of speech away, I mean they are going to start answering back.
"There are many ways of going forward, but there is only one way of standing still." FDR explaining why Liberals are so often divided and Conservatives are so often united.
"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." Will Rogers