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#21 AnneZo

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Posted 25 June 2003 - 02:03 PM

^ I'm entirely with Lil on this one, no surprise. :)  This was a bad decision, badly made.  (I tend to look askance at any Supreme Court decision that's this close, and comes with, if I remember correctly, around 150 pages of explanation and dissents.) And I also completely agree with Lil on Rehnquist.

No, I don't think young kids should view porn, but it's not the responsibility of overworked, underfunded libraries to try and police the behavior of people using a public facility.

Besides, why is everyone getting their knickers in such a knot? I'd doubt there's that much occasion for all of this prudery about children seeing naughtiness online. Most libraries I've seen have their computers in fairly open places and it would take a brave and determined ten yaer-old or fifteen year-old to sit there and look at nudie pictures when they know someone could walk behind them at any moment.

In addition, just because someone can't afford a computer or internet service at home doesn't mean they don't have a legitimate need to view sex-related information, including info on reproduction, STDs, and contraceptives. I don't know about this generation of filters, but I know the previous ones filtered out most such sites.

Also? I'm a lot less worried about some curious youngster getting a sight of nekkid human flesh (aside from photos, I understand that most of the "action" sites are pay-per-view, although I'm hardly an expert)  than I am about the fact that most of what gets filtered by these filters is largely sex-related. Kids who want to view violence can do so easily.

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Posted 25 June 2003 - 02:05 PM

GO ANNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beautifully said!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#23 AnneZo

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Posted 25 June 2003 - 02:34 PM

^ Bowing.  Thank you, ma'am. :D

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Posted 25 June 2003 - 02:36 PM

I rarely get to say this, but: AnneZo nailed it.

I anticipate the Supreme Court's computer decisions will start making more sense in 20 or so years, when we'll have Supreme Court justices who can actually *use* computers.
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Posted 25 June 2003 - 02:44 PM

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I don't know about this generation of filters, but I know the previous ones filtered out most such sites.
They're better, but not much. The most common still filter sites about most alternate religions, breast cancer, rape, STD's, etc...
As a Pagan, this has has been a sore issue for me, as well as most of the rest of the pagan community.

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Posted 25 June 2003 - 05:14 PM

This is getting real freaky here. I find myself having to agree with Rov and Lil on this one....Again.

I swear, we've GOT to stop this...people will talk! ;)
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Posted 25 June 2003 - 05:31 PM

LORD of the SWORD, on Jun 24 2003, 11:15 PM, said:

This is getting real freaky here. I find myself having to agree with Rov and Lil on this one....Again.

I swear, we've GOT to stop this...people will talk! ;)
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Posted 26 June 2003 - 02:58 AM

Phoenix, on Jun 24 2003, 07:45 PM, said:

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I don't know about this generation of filters, but I know the previous ones filtered out most such sites.
They're better, but not much. The most common still filter sites about most alternate religions, breast cancer, rape, STD's, etc...
As a Pagan, this has has been a sore issue for me, as well as most of the rest of the pagan community.
Under what justification is alternative religions filtered out???  :eh:
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#29 Drew

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Posted 26 June 2003 - 03:42 AM

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Most libraries I've seen have their computers in fairly open places and it would take a brave and determined ten yaer-old or fifteen year-old to sit there and look at nudie pictures when they know someone could walk behind them at any moment.

But there are plenty of brave and determined adults who think nothing of calling up porn at the public library and, . . . er, . . . enjoying themselves. Neither the library workers nor the other patrons appreciate this kind of atmosphere at the local library.
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#30 Bad Wolf

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Posted 26 June 2003 - 03:50 AM

Drew, on Jun 25 2003, 09:43 AM, said:

But there are plenty of brave and determined adults who think nothing of calling up porn at the public library and, . . . er, . . . enjoying themselves. Neither the library workers nor the other patrons appreciate this kind of atmosphere at the local library.
Individual appreciation for the subject matter is not, or at least should not be (lord knows what the SC will do next) be the standard by which these things are judged.

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#31 Bossy

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Posted 26 June 2003 - 03:58 AM

My quibble with this is that I don't think the federal government should be mandating this. As far as I am concerned, the government needs to be less involved, not more. The task of monitoring what children see on the internet belongs to the parents, not the government.

That being said, if a parent is concerned about what their child can access while they are at the library, then they should work with their local library system to come up with a method of filtering. Exactly how such a system would work should be up to each individual community. Each library's facilities are going to in some way dictate how such a system would work.

Now, as for adults viewing pronographic sites in the library. I think the libraries should be able to ask them to desist or have their priviledges revoked. I think this would simply be a matter of public decency.
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Posted 26 June 2003 - 04:19 AM

I was curious who gave the money for the computers in the first place. I know my local branch got theire from the Federal programs rather than private funded.

So if the governemnt has given the computers or the money for the computers the governement   has the right to say what is done. It was I think part of ruling that said that government could not mandate  programs that it does not fund.
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Posted 26 June 2003 - 04:23 AM

Una Salus Lillius, on Jun 25 2003, 11:51 AM, said:

Individual appreciation for the subject matter is not, or at least should not be (lord knows what the SC will do next) be the standard by which these things are judged.
Get back to me when you're one of the library employees who has to clean up after the "individual appreciation."  :cool:
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Posted 26 June 2003 - 04:31 AM

Bossy, on Jun 25 2003, 11:59 AM, said:

Now, as for adults viewing pronographic sites in the library. I think the libraries should be able to ask them to desist or have their priviledges revoked. I think this would simply be a matter of public decency.
Many library workers say they are uncomfortable approaching these people and telling them that their allotted time is up when they're viewing what they're viewing. And if you dare tell these people they *can't* look at that stuff, look out for the ACLU. Yes, it's a matter of public decency. Unfortunately some people aren't interested in being publicly decent.

I can't see this ruling as anything other than a plus.

If a porn filter is keeping you from legitimate material, ask the reference librarian for help. I doubt there's a law against that.
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#35 aphrael

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Posted 26 June 2003 - 07:25 AM

What happened to parents being responsible for their kids?  As a child, my mom always went with me to the library.   As a parent, I did the same thing with my kids.  I was a kid once so I knew what they were capable of trying to pull.  

Parents need to be more responsible and more involved in their children's lives.

A few years ago I was looking for pictures of the Aztec Indian gods.  One of the sites that came up on the search was a porn site.   :barf:   How is the filter going to work then?   Porn filters will work for a while but eventually like they will get circumvented like so many other things on the web.



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