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#1 sierraleone

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 12:21 PM

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Australian-developed contraceptive jab for men, taken four times a year, has been proven to be just as effective as birth-control pills for women.

Sydney researchers found the hormonal injection is a quick and reliable method of contraception for up to 95 per cent of males.
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Now there is an alternative - but pharmaceutical companies have shown little interest in making it available to the public.

The new jab works by suppressing sperm output but does not have a permanent effect.

Made up of a combination of the hormones androgen and progestin -  mostly testosterone -  it needs to be administered every two to three months.

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 02:15 PM

Wow! Aussies have made it work?

Impressive.


But why am I not surprised that the firms aren't keen on marketing it? Could it be because it is an injection? Or because they are men who don't want their maleness interfered with chemically.

Any fellows here fancy trying to explain it?

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 02:36 PM

Does the female contraceptive involve hormonal changes? I never heard that it does; so my question would be, why would I take a hormonal based contraceptive when she's taking one that is not? ..... I would wonder, since I have never tried, doing anything or taking anything that changes hormonal content or balance in me? I just get the willies thinking about that ........ I wonder if there could be any other effects than just sperm count?
nah... I would not take that yet  :harper:  ~ Let's get more questions answered first; also, I've never bought over counter anything that is 'jab' based, though I don't see why that can't do that, in an altogether one-shot, not refill, you don't have to fill syringe from bottle, type of a unit; you know, like those quick battlefield morphine jab units.
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 02:59 PM

View Postoffworlder, on Apr 18 2008, 12:36 PM, said:

Does the female contraceptive involve hormonal changes? I never heard that it does; so my question would be, why would I take a hormonal based contraceptive when she's taking one that is not? ..... I would wonder, since I have never tried, doing anything or taking anything that changes hormonal content or balance in me? I just get the willies thinking about that ........ I wonder if there could be any other effects than just sperm count?
nah... I would not take that yet  :harper:  ~ Let's get more questions answered first; also, I've never bought over counter anything that is 'jab' based, though I don't see why that can't do that, in an altogether one-shot, not refill, you don't have to fill syringe from bottle, type of a unit; you know, like those quick battlefield morphine jab units.


Wow, of course the stuff women take makes hormonal changes, that's what it's all about.  Women have been "getting the willies" for a long time and cancer and increased risk of all kinds of nasty stuff.

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 03:04 PM

Yes I would use it. The FDA may not have approved it for the USA, but it would get made if the company thought it would sell.
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 04:33 PM

Yep, like Balderdash says, what women take ARE hormones...

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The Combined Oral Contraceptive Pill (COCP), often referred to as "the Pill", is a combination of an estrogen (oestrogen) and a progestin (progestogen), taken by mouth to inhibit normal fertility. Combined oral contraceptives were developed by Gregory Goodwin Pincus, John Rock, and Min Chueh Chang.[1] They were first approved for contraceptive use in the United States in 1960, and are still a popular form of birth control. They are currently used by more than 100 million women worldwide and by almost 12 million women in the United States.[2][3] Usage varies widely by country,[4] age, education, and marital status: one quarter of women aged 16 49 in Great Britain currently use the Pill (combined pill or minipill),[5] compared to only 1% of women in Japan.[6]

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and the reason none of manufacturers are interested in making it is becasue they know it would go over like the ever popular lead brick. Men find it hard enough to get their pets spayed and neutered - you think their going to takde somethign that might encumber/ affert therir precvious testosterone levels?

I'll applaud any man who does as he obviously has the self comfidence of really having a pair. I'd also not go to bed with a man who wouldn't ( not necessarily has or not, being that such may be hard to get ahold of for awhile ) but if he wouldn't?  ... Need I say more?

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 04:37 PM

If the male contraceptive was available and legal, I would have Skyy infuse it into my vodka.
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 05:37 PM

I'd use it. Needles really don't scare me.

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 05:43 PM

View PostJuris Rovvius, on Apr 18 2008, 09:37 PM, said:

If the male contraceptive was available and legal, I would have Skyy infuse it into my vodka.

You've moved on from root beer??!!   :lol:

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 08:57 PM

If I were a dude, I'd take it.  However, I don't think that really counts.  I already take birth control, albeit for other reasons.

HOWEVER

If/when it gets FDA approved and manufactured, I'm not taking a guy's word for it that he's safe regardless.  I want and clean bill of health first (aka STD screening) AND I'll remain on the pill myself if we get serious enough to stop using condoms.  There will be no babies coming out of me, and I don't trust most guys not to lie about it just so they can get nookie.
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 12:33 AM

I might not use it myself but I am glad to see that such a thing has been worked out.

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Posted 19 April 2008 - 04:40 AM

So long as it does make the gun unable to fire, then i wouldnt mind as much if it were shooting blanks...

Besides, the world doesn't need my offspring in any case.

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Posted 19 April 2008 - 06:05 AM

View PostChakoteya, on Apr 18 2008, 02:15 PM, said:

Wow! Aussies have made it work?

Impressive.


But why am I not surprised that the firms aren't keen on marketing it? Could it be because it is an injection? Or because they are men who don't want their maleness interfered with chemically.

Any fellows here fancy trying to explain it?

Would YOU have the jab?

I'm simply going to say that on average, males usually forget to take their pills/medication anyway. ;)  So that's why it isn't practical. :hehe:

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Posted 19 April 2008 - 09:50 AM

^It's getting an injection every few months, as opposed to taking a pill every day.  There are female hormone injections too, that are spaced apart like that.

I refuse to accept any kind of argument that basically says, "well, women are so much better at being responsible, so they should be the ones to take care of all these inconvenient details like birth control".  besides, any guy that actually cares about whether or not he's going to become a dad can remember that kind of thing.  If they can remember the scores on a football game that happened 10 years ago, they can keep a doctors appointment in their calender.
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 09:52 AM

View PostNikcara, on Apr 19 2008, 10:50 AM, said:

^It's getting an injection every few months, as opposed to taking a pill every day.  There are female hormone injections too, that are spaced apart like that.

I refuse to accept any kind of argument that basically says, "well, women are so much better at being responsible, so they should be the ones to take care of all these inconvenient details like birth control".  besides, any guy that actually cares about whether or not he's going to become a dad can remember that kind of thing.  If they can remember the scores on a football game that happened 10 years ago, they can keep a doctors appointment in their calender.

Not to mention some men claim women aren't good at keeping up on birth control (either accidentally, or they accuse on purpose), why not be in control yourself?
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 11:55 AM

No disagreement from me. My refusal has to do with my age and a desire to not cause any sort of imbalnce in my body already. I am boarderline diabetic. And I have other health issues I would want addressed before just jumping and taking the shot.

But I see this as a reasonable method if it is proven to work and have no side effects.
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 11:56 AM

I'll be curious to see (when and if this male contraceptive hits the US market) what the response will be. Until now, short of condoms, men have been able to say they really didn't have much for options. Now they will have one very viable option. Will they use it or won't they? Will this option change the complexion of the argument about women being responsible for birthcontrol. Once this hits the market will responsibility for protecting ones self from unwanted children finally fall equally on both participants?
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 12:29 PM

View PostLin731, on Apr 19 2008, 05:56 PM, said:

Will this option change the complexion of the argument about women being responsible for birthcontrol. Once this hits the market will responsibility for protecting ones self from unwanted children finally fall equally on both participants?

IMO any man who says that birthcontrol is the woman's responsibility is being a jackass. It takes two to tango, and two to worry about making sure no one gets unintentionally pregnant or diseased.

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Posted 19 April 2008 - 12:39 PM

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IMO any man who says that birthcontrol is the woman's responsibility is being a jackass. It takes two to tango, and two to worry about making sure no one gets unintentionally pregnant or diseased.

I completely agree but apparently there are alot of jackasses out there since anytime the birthcontrol debate comes up, there are many men that feel exactly that way. It's a shame really because there are many other men that don't share that POV that get broadbrushed because of it.
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 05:58 PM

Wait - this INCREASES testosterone??

I can see reasons not to be enthusiastic about hopping men up on a 4 month long testosterone elevation....

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