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#1 Hambil

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 08:31 AM

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Six hospital employees have been fired or suspended after ignoring for more than an hour a woman who collapsed and died in a New York emergency room waiting area.

On June 18, Esmin Green, 49, was involuntarily admitted to the psychiatric emergency department of Kings County Hospital Center on June 18 for what the hospital describes as "agitation and psychosis."
Upon her admission, Green waited nearly 24 hours for treatment, said the New York Civil Liberties Union, which on Tuesday released surveillance camera video of the incident.

The surveillance camera video shows the woman rolling off a waiting room chair, landing face-down on the floor and convulsing. Her collapse came at 5:32 a.m. June 19, the NYCLU said, and she stopped moving at 6:07 a.m. During that time, the organization said, workers at the hospital ignored her.

At 6:35 a.m., the tape shows a hospital employee approaching and nudging Green with her foot, the group said. Help was summoned three minutes later.

In addition, the organization said, hospital staff falsified Green's records to cover up the time she had lain there without assistance.
Fired? Suspended? Why does it not say explicitly anywhere in the article that these employees aren't being charged with manslaughter? Any employee in a hospital that ignores a body twitching on the waiting room floor goes to jail. How is that not a given? This really pisses me off.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 09:09 AM

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Any employee in a hospital that ignores a body twitching on the waiting room floor goes to jail.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 09:44 AM

Agreed. This pisses me off more than anything I can think of except child abuse. For people who get paid to save lives to ignore someone who's really in need of help is unforgivable. I hope they go to jail with a really hefty sentence, as a wakeup call to ER staffs.

To be fair, though, this doesn't happen in most hospitals. I live in an area with not one but two excellent hospitals. Thank God.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 10:15 AM

Well, you know me.  I say jail is not enough.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 10:18 AM

Agreed. Jail time. This isn't even passersby on a sidewalk, skirting a homeless man. (That's made up, just an example). It's a hospital, with an involuntarily admitted patient. She was fully in their care, and they neglected her. Unforgivable.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 10:31 AM

When I was a kid growing up in Brooklyn in the 1950's, Kings County Hospital had a terrible reputation.  Obviously nothing has changed there.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 11:32 AM

View PostHambil, on Jul 2 2008, 09:31 AM, said:

Fired? Suspended? Why does it not say explicitly anywhere in the article that these employees aren't being charged with manslaughter? Any employee in a hospital that ignores a body twitching on the waiting room floor goes to jail. How is that not a given? This really pisses me off.


Couldn't agree more. I would so like to see them all charged with manslaughter. And I would expect nothing less then at the very least 20 years...at the very least. I would much rather the death penalty, but since, IIRC, the death penalty isn't an option for manslaughter I would be happy with at least 20 years.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 11:39 AM

Send 'em to Texas.  They'll kill 'em. :D

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 12:02 PM

View PostAnnibal, on Jul 2 2008, 08:18 AM, said:

Agreed. Jail time. This isn't even passersby on a sidewalk, skirting a homeless man. (That's made up, just an example). It's a hospital, with an involuntarily admitted patient. She was fully in their care, and they neglected her. Unforgivable.

Wasn't there an incident similar to this within the last couple of years?  At the same place?

I think the whole hospital ought to be brought up on charges of reckless endangerment and possibly manslaughter.

The hospital certainly ought to be liable for wrongful death.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 03:36 PM

I saw the surveillance tape and not only was it awful that the security guards saw her and did nothing, but tons of people were in that waiting area with her and not one brought someone in and insisted that she be cared for.  It saddens me that in some neighborhoods suffering and neglect are so routine that no one feels it their duty to protest and insist on help for another human being.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 03:41 PM

View PostBad Wolf, on Jul 2 2008, 01:02 PM, said:

View PostAnnibal, on Jul 2 2008, 08:18 AM, said:

Agreed. Jail time. This isn't even passersby on a sidewalk, skirting a homeless man. (That's made up, just an example). It's a hospital, with an involuntarily admitted patient. She was fully in their care, and they neglected her. Unforgivable.

Wasn't there an incident similar to this within the last couple of years?  At the same place?

I think the whole hospital ought to be brought up on charges of reckless endangerment and possibly manslaughter.

The hospital certainly ought to be liable for wrongful death.


I think this is about the same incedent. I think it was last year.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 03:51 PM

View PostBad Wolf, on Jul 2 2008, 12:02 PM, said:

The hospital certainly ought to be liable for wrongful death.

Agreed.  Forget about firings.  That place needs to be closed.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 05:22 PM

View PostKosh, on Jul 2 2008, 08:41 PM, said:

View PostBad Wolf, on Jul 2 2008, 01:02 PM, said:

View PostAnnibal, on Jul 2 2008, 08:18 AM, said:

Agreed. Jail time. This isn't even passersby on a sidewalk, skirting a homeless man. (That's made up, just an example). It's a hospital, with an involuntarily admitted patient. She was fully in their care, and they neglected her. Unforgivable.

Wasn't there an incident similar to this within the last couple of years?  At the same place?

I think the whole hospital ought to be brought up on charges of reckless endangerment and possibly manslaughter.

The hospital certainly ought to be liable for wrongful death.


I think this is about the same incedent. I think it was last year.

No; that was Edith Isabel Rodriguez. She was the one where a janitor cleaned around her. And that was in the Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital in Los Angeles.

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Posted 03 July 2008 - 12:26 AM

Criminal charges are pending...

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Robert Nardoza, a spokesman for the Brooklyn U.S. attorney's office, said a criminal civil-rights investigation into KHCH, which had started earlier based on other complaints, will now also look at the death. A spokesman for the Brooklyn district attorney's office said any suspected criminality referred to it by the Department of Investigation would be prosecuted. A DOI spokeswoman said the agency was "aware" of the incident.

That poor woman was the sole support of her six children back in Jamaica. :(
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Posted 03 July 2008 - 12:07 PM

View PostBad Wolf, on Jul 2 2008, 10:02 AM, said:

View PostAnnibal, on Jul 2 2008, 08:18 AM, said:

Agreed. Jail time. This isn't even passersby on a sidewalk, skirting a homeless man. (That's made up, just an example). It's a hospital, with an involuntarily admitted patient. She was fully in their care, and they neglected her. Unforgivable.

Wasn't there an incident similar to this within the last couple of years?  At the same place?

I think the whole hospital ought to be brought up on charges of reckless endangerment and possibly manslaughter.

The hospital certainly ought to be liable for wrongful death.
There was an incident at a hospital in LA too.  King Drew?  I think they're currently trying to get relicensed or something.
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Posted 04 July 2008 - 02:03 PM

View PostNonny, on Jul 3 2008, 10:07 AM, said:

View PostBad Wolf, on Jul 2 2008, 10:02 AM, said:

View PostAnnibal, on Jul 2 2008, 08:18 AM, said:

Agreed. Jail time. This isn't even passersby on a sidewalk, skirting a homeless man. (That's made up, just an example). It's a hospital, with an involuntarily admitted patient. She was fully in their care, and they neglected her. Unforgivable.

Wasn't there an incident similar to this within the last couple of years?  At the same place?

I think the whole hospital ought to be brought up on charges of reckless endangerment and possibly manslaughter.

The hospital certainly ought to be liable for wrongful death.
There was an incident at a hospital in LA too.  King Drew?  I think they're currently trying to get relicensed or something.

Yeah. Killer King. Probably the only hospital in the US where the cops had to break up a fight between two doctors over a patient, while emergency surgery was still going on.

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Posted 04 July 2008 - 02:04 PM

OMG. I just saw this. I really don't have the words to respond to this. Just awful :cry:
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Posted 05 July 2008 - 01:26 AM

i'm so disgusted.   i have no words. :grr:

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 10:42 AM

What did she die of?

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Posted 07 July 2008 - 03:55 PM

View PostBroph, on Jul 2 2008, 06:22 PM, said:

View PostKosh, on Jul 2 2008, 08:41 PM, said:

View PostBad Wolf, on Jul 2 2008, 01:02 PM, said:

View PostAnnibal, on Jul 2 2008, 08:18 AM, said:

Agreed. Jail time. This isn't even passersby on a sidewalk, skirting a homeless man. (That's made up, just an example). It's a hospital, with an involuntarily admitted patient. She was fully in their care, and they neglected her. Unforgivable.

Wasn't there an incident similar to this within the last couple of years?  At the same place?

I think the whole hospital ought to be brought up on charges of reckless endangerment and possibly manslaughter.

The hospital certainly ought to be liable for wrongful death.


I think this is about the same incedent. I think it was last year.

No; that was Edith Isabel Rodriguez. She was the one where a janitor cleaned around her. And that was in the Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital in Los Angeles.


Thanks Borph!! I had forgotten about the janitor cleaning around her.
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