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Posted 07 February 2009 - 11:52 AM

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LOS ANGELES The fertility doctor who helped a California woman have 14 children, including octuplets born last month, is now facing a state investigation on top of harsh criticism from medical ethicists.

The Medical Board of California did not identify the doctor who helped Nadya Suleman, 33, of Whittier, become pregnant with the six boys and two girls born on Jan. 26., even though she already had six other children.

"We're looking into the matter to see if we can substantiate if there was a violation of the standard of care," board spokeswoman Candis Cohen said Friday.

Suleman, a divorced single mother, told NBC's "Today" show that the same fertility specialist provided in vitro fertilization for all 14 children.

In the interview broadcast Friday, Suleman also said six embryos were implanted for each of her pregnancies. In her latest, two of Suleman's embryos split, resulting in two sets of twins among the octuplets.

When asked why so many embryos were implanted, Suleman said: "Those are my children, and that's what was available and I used them. So, I took a risk. It's a gamble. It always is."

Doctors say the norm is to implant two or three embryos, at most, in women Suleman's age.

"The revelation about one center treating her makes the treatment even harder to understand," said Arthur Caplan, bioethics chairman at the University of Pennsylvania. "They went ahead when she had six kids, knowing that she was a single mom ... and put embryos into her anyway."

Suleman's infants were born prematurely and are expected to remain in the hospital for several more weeks. Her six other children are between ages 2 and 7.

Suleman said she had never been on welfare and would find a way to get by with the help of family, friends and her church. She said she planned to return to school in the fall.

"All I wanted was children. I wanted to be a mom. That's all I ever wanted in my life," Suleman said in the portion of the interview that aired Friday. "I love my children."

She said she struggled for seven years before finally giving birth to her first child.

According to state documents, Suleman told a doctor she had three miscarriages. Another doctor disputed that number, saying she had two ectopic pregnancies, a dangerous condition in which a fertilized egg implants somewhere other than in the uterus.

The state documents describe Suleman becoming pregnant with her first child after a 1999 injury during a riot at a state mental hospital where she worked. Suleman feared she would lose the child and sunk into an intense depression, according to a psychological evaluation in her workers' compensation case.

"When you have a history of miscarriages, you think it will take a miracle," she told Dr. Dennis Nehamen. "I just wanted to die. I suspected I was pregnant but I thought, 'That's ridiculous.'"

But the 2001 birth of the baby "helped my spirits," Suleman said.

More than 300 pages of documents were disclosed to The Associated Press following a public records request to the state Division of Workers' Compensation. Among other things, they reveal that Suleman collected more than $165,000 in disability payments between 2002 and 2008 for the work injury, which she said left her in near-constant pain and helped end her marriage.

If this doctor willingly put these embryos into this woman, knowing she had 6 kids already, I hope this doctor is disbarred. Part of me even even wonders about criminal charges. :glare:

This is an absolute disgrace. :angry: :headshake:
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Posted 07 February 2009 - 12:04 PM

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Of course he knew about the previous 6 kids...it was the same doctor both times...At least according to the mother. She admitted it was the same one in the portion of the interview I saw.

What I found extremely annoying was her comment of: "Oh I'll be able to get a better paying job after I complete school...And I will BE there for them. I will LOVE them uncoditionally. I will HOLD them, ect" when asked how she was going to provide for the kids...with no job, no husband, nobody to help.

This woman is clearly not living in reality. Being there for your kids, loving them, holding them, being there for them is great...but it does NOT put food on the table. It does NOT put clothes on their backs, ect.
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Posted 07 February 2009 - 12:32 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on Feb 7 2009, 12:04 PM, said:

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Of course he knew about the previous 6 kids...it was the same doctor both times...At least according to the mother. She admitted it was the same one in the portion of the interview I saw.

What I found extremely annoying was her comment of: "Oh I'll be able to get a better paying job after I complete school...And I will BE there for them. I will LOVE them uncoditionally. I will HOLD them, ect" when asked how she was going to provide for the kids...with no job, no husband, nobody to help.

This woman is clearly not living in reality. Being there for your kids, loving them, holding them, being there for them is great...but it does NOT put food on the table. It does NOT put clothes on their backs, ect.

And as I said before...it will be IMPOSSIBLE to give adequate attention to 14 kids, particularly on her own. Young kids demand constant attention-how in the world will she be able to provide it?! I'm getting headaches just thinking about the sibling rivalry...:wacko:

You can't just pass off your kids to extended family or strangers to take care of them!! You have to be with your kids a good amount of time so that they see you as a real mom-not just some lady who drifts into and out of their lives on occasion.  :headshake:
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Posted 07 February 2009 - 01:10 PM

Personally, I'm rather appalled that she decided to have so many kids on top of the fact that one of the ones she already does have is autistic!  How on earth is she going to care for all of them?!?  Being a single parent is hard.  Having 6 kids is basically a full time job.  Having an autistic kid is a full time job.  and then she decides to have 8 more?!?

Yea gods, she better have a good source of income from somewhere, though I'm hardly thrilled with the thought of other people donating to her insanity.  It simply isn't humanly possible to give adequate attention to all her kids.  The ones who are physically and mentally healthy will be basically ignored so that the others can be managed - and given the demands of an autistic kid and the health problems I expect those octuplets are going to have I can't say they'll actually be taken care of, just (probably poorly) managed.  

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 02:20 PM

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I wonder what people in Child Protective Services must be thinking.  :unsure:
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Posted 07 February 2009 - 02:22 PM

View PostNikcara, on Feb 7 2009, 01:10 PM, said:

Personally, I'm rather appalled that she decided to have so many kids on top of the fact that one of the ones she already does have is autistic!  How on earth is she going to care for all of them?!?  Being a single parent is hard.  Having 6 kids is basically a full time job.  Having an autistic kid is a full time job.  and then she decides to have 8 more?!?

The woman is f**king NUTS. That's why I brought up Child Protective Services. This woman isn't right in the head. :wacko:  :suspect:
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Posted 07 February 2009 - 07:14 PM

If what her mother threatens is true, she's in for a big shock when the new babies get home from the hospital, because Grandma has said she won't be there. It becomes clear that Grandma is the one who has raised the first six.

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Suleman's mother, Angela, has been quoted in separate published interviews expressing frustration at her daughter's preoccupation with having children. She has characterized her daughter as a "really good mother" but "a little misguided."

Grandma has said that when Nadya comes home from the hospital, she'll be gone.
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Here Grandma talks about having raised the first 6:

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For her part, Angela Suleman who lives with her daughter in Whittier, Calif., is trying to decide her next step. "[Nadya] really is a good mother," she tells PEOPLE. "I love these kids ... I've been taking care of them since the first one was born, but I need a rest. I need a rest."

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 07:28 PM

View PostRhea, on Feb 7 2009, 07:14 PM, said:

If what her mother threatens is true, she's in for a big shock when the new babies get home from the hospital, because Grandma has said she won't be there. It becomes clear that Grandma is the one who has raised the first six.

If you're right, CPS NEEDS to step in. This woman isn't in her right mind. Heck, I even question her mother's judgement.  :suspect:

"Good mother"?? :wacko: Sounds like Grandma is back-pedaling a bit, eh? :suspect:  More like a delusional "mother".  :headshake:
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Posted 07 February 2009 - 07:32 PM

Something just came to mind. You folks may not like the analogy, but...

Remember those stories about folks who had too many pets to take care of, and couldn't?

I see a similar thing here. :suspect: I hope I'm wrong. :(
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 10:29 AM

View PostNikcara, on Feb 7 2009, 01:10 PM, said:

Personally, I'm rather appalled that she decided to have so many kids on top of the fact that one of the ones she already does have is autistic!  How on earth is she going to care for all of them?!?  Being a single parent is hard.  Having 6 kids is basically a full time job.  Having an autistic kid is a full time job.  and then she decides to have 8 more?!?

Yea gods, she better have a good source of income from somewhere, though I'm hardly thrilled with the thought of other people donating to her insanity.  It simply isn't humanly possible to give adequate attention to all her kids.  The ones who are physically and mentally healthy will be basically ignored so that the others can be managed - and given the demands of an autistic kid and the health problems I expect those octuplets are going to have I can't say they'll actually be taken care of, just (probably poorly) managed.  

I feel for those kids

Well MSNBC just reported that the mother claims not to be on welfare, but according to the mother's lawyer, she is on food stamps. So that's how she's planning on feeding the brood...getting the American taxpayer to foot the bill. To which I say: FTS!
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 10:41 AM

View PostLord of the Sword, on Feb 10 2009, 10:29 AM, said:

View PostNikcara, on Feb 7 2009, 01:10 PM, said:

Personally, I'm rather appalled that she decided to have so many kids on top of the fact that one of the ones she already does have is autistic!  How on earth is she going to care for all of them?!?  Being a single parent is hard.  Having 6 kids is basically a full time job.  Having an autistic kid is a full time job.  and then she decides to have 8 more?!?

Yea gods, she better have a good source of income from somewhere, though I'm hardly thrilled with the thought of other people donating to her insanity.  It simply isn't humanly possible to give adequate attention to all her kids.  The ones who are physically and mentally healthy will be basically ignored so that the others can be managed - and given the demands of an autistic kid and the health problems I expect those octuplets are going to have I can't say they'll actually be taken care of, just (probably poorly) managed.  

I feel for those kids

Well MSNBC just reported that the mother claims not to be on welfare, but according to the mother's lawyer, she is on food stamps. So that's how she's planning on feeding the brood...getting the American taxpayer to foot the bill. To which I say: FTS!

I still think more of the blame should have been put on the doctor/s who approved this procedure, because this woman is obviously not playing with a full deck. :wacko: I'm a LOT more interested in knowing what the hell the doctors were thinking in giving a woman with 6 kids-a SINGLE MOM, at that-MORE KIDS.

I'm telling you-if CPS does not step in at some point, I'll be stunned.
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 03:33 PM

So much for that Mexico rumor.  Seems like the clinic is right here in SoCal, in Beverly Hills.   :suspect:

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 04:15 PM

View PostGhost Rider, on Feb 10 2009, 10:41 AM, said:

I still think more of the blame should have been put on the doctor/s who approved this procedure, because this woman is obviously not playing with a full deck. :wacko: I'm a LOT more interested in knowing what the hell the doctors were thinking in giving a woman with 6 kids-a SINGLE MOM, at that-MORE KIDS.

I'm telling you-if CPS does not step in at some point, I'll be stunned.

You're right. And IMO, not only should the food stamps and whatever other programs she is on stop IMMEDIATELY...I would force the doctor, since according to the mother, it was the same doctor that performed the procedure for the first 6...I would force him to have to pay the bills. There is no reason the tax payers should be footing the bill to feed and clothes these kids. Doctor was stupid enough to perform the procedure...let him pay the bills?

I am curious...Who footed the bill for these procedures?
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 05:22 PM

From Nonny's news link, bolding mine:

Suleman's publicist, Michael Furtney, confirmed the information about the food stamps and federal supplemental security income after two sources informed The Times of the benefits. Three sources told The Times that Kaiser has requested Medi-Cal reimbursement for care of the octuplets, which is estimated to run into hundreds of thousands of dollars. Furtney declined to confirm the Medi-Cal coverage and referred the question to Kaiser, which also declined to comment.

She had denied that she was on welfare -- a comment her publicist later clarified.

"In Nadya's view, the money that she gets from the food stamp program . . . and the resources disabilities payments she gets for her three children are not welfare," Furtney said. "They are part of programs designed to help people with need, and she does not see that as welfare."

That woman should never be allowed to counsel anybody!!!   From the sound of the rest of the article, the doctor should have his license yanked.  Immediately.  This whole thing is beyond absurdl  Those, poor, poor kids - their mental health as well as their physical health is already in danger and they haven't even left the hospital yet.
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 05:28 PM

View PostNonny, on Feb 10 2009, 03:33 PM, said:

So much for that Mexico rumor.  Seems like the clinic is right here in SoCal, in Beverly Hills.   :suspect:

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Why do I have a feeling that this QUACK (I refuse to use the term, "doctor") was just using this woman to improve his status, since according to the article, his clinic "has a much lower rate of pregnancies and births than the vast majority of fertility clinics across the country"?!? :headshake:

No-no-no-no. This QUACK should be investigated to the hilt, and if need be, have his license taken away. If this article is correct, it appears this QUACK took advantage of this woman-a mentally disturbed woman, at that-to better his position as a fertility doctor.  :headshake:
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 05:45 PM

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Suleman, who lives with her mother in a three-bedroom home, acknowledged in the NBC interview that she was struggling financially to support her six children before the birth of her octuplets. But she said she knows she will be able to pay their bills, especially after she earns her master's degree in counseling from Cal State Fullerton.

Aside from Themis's comment about her suitability as a therapist ( :barf: ), who would hire her for ANYTHING? The woman is totally looney-tunes!! :wacko: The only way I could see this woman being hired for anything would be to take advantage of the fact she has 14 kids-like some sort of wacked out reality show based on her life.  :headshake:

I don't think it's a question of "if" CPS stepping in as opposed to when.
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 05:56 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on Feb 10 2009, 04:15 PM, said:

View PostGhost Rider, on Feb 10 2009, 10:41 AM, said:

I still think more of the blame should have been put on the doctor/s who approved this procedure, because this woman is obviously not playing with a full deck. :wacko: I'm a LOT more interested in knowing what the hell the doctors were thinking in giving a woman with 6 kids-a SINGLE MOM, at that-MORE KIDS.

I'm telling you-if CPS does not step in at some point, I'll be stunned.

You're right. And IMO, not only should the food stamps and whatever other programs she is on stop IMMEDIATELY...I would force the doctor, since according to the mother, it was the same doctor that performed the procedure for the first 6...I would force him to have to pay the bills. There is no reason the tax payers should be footing the bill to feed and clothes these kids. Doctor was stupid enough to perform the procedure...let him pay the bills?

I am curious...Who footed the bill for these procedures?

These babies need to be put into foster care for an indefinite period. If this woman's mom and dad can't help-as if they SHOULD be in the first place, since their daughter is an adult who should know better-leaving these infants with this woman is the WORST thing that can be done.

I don't say this lightly, but...a single mom who's on food stamps shouldn't have 14 kids in their care. She's endangering the welfare of those babies.
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 07:06 PM

View PostGhost Rider, on Feb 10 2009, 02:28 PM, said:

View PostNonny, on Feb 10 2009, 03:33 PM, said:

So much for that Mexico rumor.  Seems like the clinic is right here in SoCal, in Beverly Hills.   :suspect:

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Why do I have a feeling that this QUACK (I refuse to use the term, "doctor") was just using this woman to improve his status, since according to the article, his clinic "has a much lower rate of pregnancies and births than the vast majority of fertility clinics across the country"?!? :headshake:

No-no-no-no. This QUACK should be investigated to the hilt, and if need be, have his license taken away. If this article is correct, it appears this QUACK took advantage of this woman-a mentally disturbed woman, at that-to better his position as a fertility doctor.  :headshake:
Good call.  Worst fertility clinic ever to most notorious.  Probably thinks he's onto something.    :suspect:

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Posted 10 February 2009 - 07:28 PM

View PostGhost Rider, on Feb 10 2009, 05:56 PM, said:

I don't say this lightly, but...a single mom who's on food stamps shouldn't have 14 kids in their care. She's endangering the welfare of those babies.

I'll see you and raise you. I feel that the food stamps should be stopped IMMEDIATELY. She must've been on them with the first 6...and to knowingly add another 8, KNOWING YOU CAN'T SUPPORT them...Oh hell no! The taxpayers should NOT being footing the bill for those food stamps. And if there is a way to charge this mom with something...I would be all for it...and as for the Quack who performed this procedure....

Well, board GL's forbid calling for vigilante justice...so I really can't elaborate further about what should be done with him.
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 07:32 PM

Turns out, in one of the articles I linked to, Grandma and Grandpa are divorced. So it really has been Grandma raising 6....ooops, 14! kids. I can see her dilemma - you don't want to kick your daughter and grandchildren out on the street.

I hope CPS jumps in as well. Based on the pictures of Grandma's house (the squalor inside is... really bad) somebody should do the right thing and get social services involved.

Social services can be pretty damn useless sometimes. It's the fault of the system, not the social workers.

We had a mother with a Down's Syndrome kid...the day she came to register her she left all three kids in the car in over a 100-degree heat. I saw them outside and made them come in. Not a mad smiley appropriate enough here.

We later learned she was a coke addict - and she and her kids were living in a house with nothing but a few mattresses on the floor because everything she got went up her nose and towards her expensive manicures (the special ed teachers are required to make home visits - that one was especially peachy). The oldest kid, about 8, is raising the other two. He terrified to come in that day because he was afraid "Mama's be mad". Take a good guess at what Mama does when she's pissed off. And the Down's girl had a vocabulary that was completely scatalogical. It took us months to get her to stop calling everyone "bitch" and "mother f*cker." The mother was reported to social services, who did absolutely nothing.
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