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#1 sierraleone

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Posted 17 July 2003 - 05:08 AM

Heres the link:

http://www.mytelus.c...ticleID=1365253

I think we already beaten eachother over the heads enough with this issue ;)

All I wanted to ask was
if California has to honour this though? People get married in other places all the time, and those are honored, are they not? Though I might be wrong about how it goes, maybe the ceremony is just performed elsewhere, but the marriage license is obtained in their home country. I don't know.... ;) *shrugs* Thats why I started this thread :)
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Posted 17 July 2003 - 05:12 AM

California is under no legal obligation to honour their marriage.

For that matter, California doesn't even HAVE to honour marriages from other *states* (full faith and credit aside).
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#3 sierraleone

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Posted 17 July 2003 - 05:17 AM

^ with our mobile society, people are moving all the time. So I assume, they usually do honour other marriage licenses? At least from other states. I would think from other countries too (immigrants sometimes come married ;) and people elope). But they have a choice over which ones they do, or do not?

Under what grounds have they previously, or are they able, to not honoured marriage licenses from other states and or countries? (outside of people who got married again without getting divorced ;) ).

Or is it completely arbitary, they can honour whichever ones they want to and not honour whichever ones they want to?

Edited by sierraleone, 17 July 2003 - 05:23 AM.

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Posted 17 July 2003 - 05:56 AM

Not only is California under no legal obligation to honor it, it passed a measure a few years ago under which the only marriages that will be recognized are those between people of opposite sexes.
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Posted 17 July 2003 - 05:59 AM

I understand that they have no legal obligation, I asked under what grounds are they allowed to not honour it, or are there no grounds? (as in, is it just arbitary?) Though, obviously, with that measure, it doesn't look like they'll honour this ;)
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#6 Bad Wolf

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Posted 17 July 2003 - 06:02 AM

The grounds is that in California, same sex marriages are not recognized as marriages in the eyes of the law.

Mores the pity.

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Posted 17 July 2003 - 06:04 AM

^ I was talking in general, not in this specific case, are they allowed to not honour marriage licences from different places. (starting to feel like a broken record ;) :D )

Edited by sierraleone, 17 July 2003 - 06:04 AM.

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Posted 17 July 2003 - 06:21 AM

sierraleone, on Jul 16 2003, 11:10 AM, said:

^ with our mobile society, people are moving all the time. So I assume, they usually do honour other marriage licenses? At least from other states. I would think from other countries too (immigrants sometimes come married ;) and people elope). But they have a choice over which ones they do, or do not?

Under what grounds have they previously, or are they able, to not honoured marriage licenses from other states and or countries? (outside of people who got married again without getting divorced ;) ).

Or is it completely arbitary, they can honour whichever ones they want to and not honour whichever ones they want to?
Marriages from other states/countries are most certainly recognized as valid, provided they were legal in the state or country where they were married.

Marriage *licenses* are only valid in the state they're issued in, because the states have varying requirements to obtain one (meaning that you usually get married in the state that issued the license).

Edited by Rhea, 17 July 2003 - 06:21 AM.

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#9 Bad Wolf

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Posted 17 July 2003 - 06:22 AM

Well you weren't being very clear.

I don't think so.  But I'm not sure.  I mean in Toronto same sex marriages are now legal.  And yet I doubt that a gay couple legally married in Toronto could move to California and expect that marriage to be recognized in California.

I'm not sure but that's my take.

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Posted 17 July 2003 - 08:28 AM

Una Salus Lillius, on Jul 16 2003, 12:15 PM, said:

Well you weren't being very clear.

I don't think so.  But I'm not sure.  I mean in Toronto same sex marriages are now legal.  And yet I doubt that a gay couple legally married in Toronto could move to California and expect that marriage to be recognized in California.

I'm not sure but that's my take.

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Heh heh. Perhaps I should have said that heterosexual marriages legally performed elsewhere are recognized. Can't have them homosexuals thinking we might recognize their marriage here. :p :p
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