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#21 Godeskian

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 10:05 AM

Euro-windbags, American windbags. Hey, can I be the Dutch Windbag?

Seriously people, comments like 'Euro-Windbags' adds exactly nothing to the debate while being as easily perceivable as a general insult towards our many european members. Can we tone down the needlessly inflamatory rethoric please?

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#22 Nick

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 01:07 PM

View PostCaptain Jack, on Mar 16 2009, 01:06 AM, said:

WASHINGTON - The Obama administration is signaling to Congress that the president could support taxing some employee health benefits

I'm not going to hyperventilate over the implication he might consider something he denounced on the campaign trail.  Wake me up when he actually indicates support for taxing benefits and what "some" refers to.

In other news, a bird could poop on somebody's car.  Film at 11.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 01:39 PM

Upon rereading the article, sounds like a trial balloon to me - nothing concrete, just gauging public opinion.

Administrations do it all the time, nothing to worry about.
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Posted 16 March 2009 - 01:41 PM

View PostPaul, on Mar 16 2009, 02:39 PM, said:

Upon rereading the article, sounds like a trial balloon to me - nothing concrete, just gauging public opinion.

Administrations do it all the time, nothing to worry about.

If that's true, and you oppose taxing health benefits, wouldn't that imply that raising a fuss is the exact right move, lest your lack of raising a fuss because you know it's a trial balloon be interpreted as indifference or support?

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 01:46 PM

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 02:01 PM

This just in: Rumors indicate that Obama is open to the idea of spreading bird feces on foreign cars, as part of his 'Buy American' campaign, so long as he doesn't have to be the one to propose the idea himself.  Please stay tuned for further developments.
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Posted 16 March 2009 - 02:04 PM

View PostRovEsque, on Mar 16 2009, 07:41 PM, said:

View PostPaul, on Mar 16 2009, 02:39 PM, said:

Upon rereading the article, sounds like a trial balloon to me - nothing concrete, just gauging public opinion.

Administrations do it all the time, nothing to worry about.

If that's true, and you oppose taxing health benefits, wouldn't that imply that raising a fuss is the exact right move, lest your lack of raising a fuss because you know it's a trial balloon be interpreted as indifference or support?

What a tangled web we weave...


Well, that would suggest that I oppose taxing health benefits, of which I didn't have time to form an opinion yet.

What I am concerned about is the number of people who react to this as if this was the first step of his masterplan to socialism ™.
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House: "Okay, I say we stop the DDX and discuss that comment."
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"Somebody came along and said 'liberal' means 'soft on crime, soft on drugs, soft on Communism, soft on defense, and we're gonna tax you back to the Stone Age because people shouldn't have to go to work if they don't want to.' And instead of saying, 'Well, excuse me, you right-wing, reactionary, xenophobic, homophobic, anti-education, anti-choice, pro-gun, Leave-it-to-Beaver trip back to the '50s,' we cowered in the corner and said, 'Please don't hurt me.' No more." - Bruno Gianelli

#28 Nick

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 02:24 PM

View PostPaul, on Mar 16 2009, 03:04 PM, said:

Well, that would suggest that I oppose taxing health benefits, of which I didn't have time to form an opinion yet.

What I am concerned about is the number of people who react to this as if this was the first step of his masterplan to socialism ™.

You clearly haven't been paying attention to all the hyperventillating.  Step one was ages ago.  He's on at least step 49 by now!

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 05:05 PM

View PostBalderdash, on Mar 16 2009, 07:10 AM, said:

What President Obama really needs to do is shut up and stop being so transparent.  If he says he'll think about something the scardie cats get all up in arms (heh heh)  that he's going to take away their guns or he's really going to tax the 95% of Americans who are fixin' to start receiving their tax cut or he's going to use Katrina trailors to house conservatives when he takes over the world or goes communist.  It really is starting to get completely rediculous and for me a lot of the folks posting on this board have lost all credibilty.  It's like frickin' "Chicken Little" over here.

I'm not all for President Obama although I am all for a Democrat in office.  Y'all need to reign in the damn fear mongering.

And I'm halfway tempted to pull up some of your frothing-at-the-mouth-anti-Bush posts just to prove how hypocritical your post is.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 05:42 PM

View PostNick, on Mar 16 2009, 11:07 AM, said:

View PostCaptain Jack, on Mar 16 2009, 01:06 AM, said:

WASHINGTON - The Obama administration is signaling to Congress that the president could support taxing some employee health benefits

I'm not going to hyperventilate over the implication he might consider something he denounced on the campaign trail.  Wake me up when he actually indicates support for taxing benefits and what "some" refers to.

In other news, a bird could poop on somebody's car.  Film at 11.

Really?  Because the fact that he IS considering is worrisome enough.  What else would he be willing to "consider"?  The fact is, he should not be considering this at all!  Zero.  He's also considering making veterans pay for their injuries and care through their own healthcare.  That's TWO considerations right there that he is exploring.  Makes one wonder what else is on his mind.
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#31 Godeskian

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 05:47 PM

View PostCaptain Jack, on Mar 16 2009, 10:42 PM, said:

Really?  Because the fact that he IS considering is worrisome enough.  What else would he be willing to "consider"?  The fact is, he should not be considering this at all!  Zero.

I disagree. He should consider all ideas, even if only to discard them after having considered them. One should never be critisised for considering all options.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 05:51 PM

View PostCaptain Jack, on Mar 16 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

Really?  Because the fact that he IS considering is worrisome enough.  What else would he be willing to "consider"?  The fact is, he should not be considering this at all!  Zero.  He's also considering making veterans pay for their injuries and care through their own healthcare.  That's TWO considerations right there that he is exploring.  Makes one wonder what else is on his mind.

Or he's just saying he's open to the idea to get all the ideas on the table and adopt a more "willing to compromise" posture, despite having little to no intention of actually taxing those benefits.  I don't know.  Just saying he's willing to consider something doesn't strike me as an endorsement of that idea.

I'm not going to get fussy until I have a clearer indication on what (if any) health care taxes are proposed.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 06:17 PM

View PostRobL, on Mar 16 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

View PostBalderdash, on Mar 16 2009, 07:10 AM, said:

What President Obama really needs to do is shut up and stop being so transparent.  If he says he'll think about something the scardie cats get all up in arms (heh heh)  that he's going to take away their guns or he's really going to tax the 95% of Americans who are fixin' to start receiving their tax cut or he's going to use Katrina trailors to house conservatives when he takes over the world or goes communist.  It really is starting to get completely rediculous and for me a lot of the folks posting on this board have lost all credibilty.  It's like frickin' "Chicken Little" over here.

I'm not all for President Obama although I am all for a Democrat in office.  Y'all need to reign in the damn fear mongering.

And I'm halfway tempted to pull up some of your frothing-at-the-mouth-anti-Bush posts just to prove how hypocritical your post is.


Pull 'em up.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 07:11 PM

View PostNick, on Mar 16 2009, 02:07 PM, said:

View PostCaptain Jack, on Mar 16 2009, 01:06 AM, said:

WASHINGTON - The Obama administration is signaling to Congress that the president could support taxing some employee health benefits

I'm not going to hyperventilate over the implication he might consider something he denounced on the campaign trail.  Wake me up when he actually indicates support for taxing benefits and what "some" refers to.

In other news, a bird could poop on somebody's car.  Film at 11.

Agreed.  I'll save my outrage for the instant he supports such a thing.  (Hey, contrary to popular belief, I only have a finite supply of outrage...  Best to save it for when something actually raises my blood pressure.)  

And save this post: if he DOES end up supporting this, I will be PLENTY pissed off, and I will say so.  Loudly.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 08:52 PM

View PostBalderdash, on Mar 16 2009, 04:17 PM, said:

View PostRobL, on Mar 16 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

View PostBalderdash, on Mar 16 2009, 07:10 AM, said:

What President Obama really needs to do is shut up and stop being so transparent.  If he says he'll think about something the scardie cats get all up in arms (heh heh)  that he's going to take away their guns or he's really going to tax the 95% of Americans who are fixin' to start receiving their tax cut or he's going to use Katrina trailors to house conservatives when he takes over the world or goes communist.  It really is starting to get completely rediculous and for me a lot of the folks posting on this board have lost all credibilty.  It's like frickin' "Chicken Little" over here.

I'm not all for President Obama although I am all for a Democrat in office.  Y'all need to reign in the damn fear mongering.

And I'm halfway tempted to pull up some of your frothing-at-the-mouth-anti-Bush posts just to prove how hypocritical your post is.


Pull 'em up.

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Edited by RobL, 16 March 2009 - 09:46 PM.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 08:54 PM

View PostBklnScott, on Mar 16 2009, 05:11 PM, said:

And save this post: if he DOES end up supporting this, I will be PLENTY pissed off, and I will say so.  Loudly.

Nah. You shoot straight - unlike some around here.

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Posted 16 March 2009 - 09:26 PM

View PostNick, on Mar 16 2009, 05:51 PM, said:

View PostCaptain Jack, on Mar 16 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

Really?  Because the fact that he IS considering is worrisome enough.  What else would he be willing to "consider"?  The fact is, he should not be considering this at all!  Zero.  He's also considering making veterans pay for their injuries and care through their own healthcare.  That's TWO considerations right there that he is exploring.  Makes one wonder what else is on his mind.
Or he's just saying he's open to the idea to get all the ideas on the table and adopt a more "willing to compromise" posture, despite having little to no intention of actually taxing those benefits.  I don't know.  Just saying he's willing to consider something doesn't strike me as an endorsement of that idea.

I'm not going to get fussy until I have a clearer indication on what (if any) health care taxes are proposed.
I agree with you WRT the benefits tax, but like I said in the other thread, I do think the veterans proposal should've been killed before it saw the light of day. Financially the idea might actually make some sense, but Congress will never, ever get behind it, and it just seems so intuitively unfair to voters all across the political spectrum that even broaching the possibility just makes the administration look bad. If nothing else, it was a poor political move.

Edited by Dev F, 16 March 2009 - 09:29 PM.


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Posted 17 March 2009 - 05:34 AM

View PostRobL, on Mar 17 2009, 02:52 AM, said:

Just a few examples of the prototypical liberal on this board in action. Bitch, moan, and call names till a Republican does it then its all about how we need to grow up. You want to hold Bush's and the Republican's feet in the fire. That's fine. But when we do it for the Dems and you call us out on it, don't expect us to not say anything about your hypocracy.



These are your examples to prove that Baldy is a hypocrite? You'll have to be better than that, because to me she looks very consistent in her opinion.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 10:42 AM

McCain was criticized here during the end of the campaign for his ideas on this, although he had a tax credit for buying heath ins. as well.
http://www.cfif.org/...-First-Time.htm

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Posted 17 March 2009 - 12:49 PM

View PostPaul, on Mar 17 2009, 03:34 AM, said:

View PostRobL, on Mar 17 2009, 02:52 AM, said:

Just a few examples of the prototypical liberal on this board in action. Bitch, moan, and call names till a Republican does it then its all about how we need to grow up. You want to hold Bush's and the Republican's feet in the fire. That's fine. But when we do it for the Dems and you call us out on it, don't expect us to not say anything about your hypocracy.



These are your examples to prove that Baldy is a hypocrite? You'll have to be better than that, because to me she looks very consistent in her opinion.


She's consistent in her opinion, which I don't give a hoot about. She can hate Bush all she wants. What I have a problem with is when we (the conservatives) start raising issues with the Democrats in power (much like how she did prior) and then we are all of a sudden we're the "fear mongers." Its crap, and I'm calling her out on it.

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