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Health Care Abortion Exclusion 2009

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#41 Spectacles

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 11:14 AM

So this is a continuation of what the anti-abortion forces did with Medicaid back in the 70s--and with U.S. family planning aid abroad under Bush. I guess it's not surprising--but just as disturbing.

I suppose they'll win this one. There's plenty of precedent, unfortunately. Withholding of taxpayer money for abortions is one consistent victory they've managed, either legislatively (Hyde amendment to Medicaid) or by executive order (Bush's denying foreign aid to any family planning agency that provided abortion, even if the money were earmarked for education and contraception.)
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#42 Bad Wolf

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 11:34 AM

Yup there is precedent.  But I also think this goes further because it's not like the government is, for example, running a womens' health clinic and telling the clinic they can't offer free abortions if they want federal or state money (btw, and just for the record, I find that idea appalling).  It's telling individuals that they can't choose a private insurer that offers abortion if they want government aid in paying for it.  Even more disturbing is that they're effectively coercing EMPLOYERS to not choose providers to cover abortions, which in turn will coerce PROVIDERS to simply not cover abortion.  So it's an insidious way of truly imposing anti abortion in the private sector through the back door.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 11:43 AM

View PostBad Wolf, on Jul 9 2009, 09:34 AM, said:

Yup there is precedent.  But I also think this goes further because it's not like the government is, for example, running a womens' health clinic and telling the clinic they can't offer free abortions if they want federal or state money (btw, and just for the record, I find that idea appalling).  It's telling individuals that they can't choose a private insurer that offers abortion if they want government aid in paying for it.  Even more disturbing is that they're effectively coercing EMPLOYERS to not choose providers to cover abortions, which in turn will coerce PROVIDERS to simply not cover abortion.  So it's an insidious way of truly imposing anti abortion in the private sector through the back door.
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#44 Palisades

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 11:44 AM

^ How does this coerce employers? AFAIK, the government is not subsidizing health insurance received through employers. It may tax it though.

The subsidies are for when someone below a certain level of income ($40,000?) purchases a health insurance plan on their own

Edited by Palisade, 09 July 2009 - 11:53 AM.

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#45 Bad Wolf

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 12:24 PM

Well we don't know all the specifics of the plan or what it will look like if and when it goes into action.  People below that income level can still be employed by people who offer insurance.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 01:02 PM

^ I think that employers will either pay enough percentage of the premiums to avoid the "play or pay" fine or they'll drop their health insurance plan(s) entirely.

Edited by Palisade, 09 July 2009 - 01:05 PM.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 02:23 PM

And they'll drop like flies.
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