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#21 Julie

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Posted 26 July 2003 - 05:23 PM

LORD of the SWORD, on Jul 25 2003, 02:39 PM, said:

I celebrate Christmas, but because it isn't celebrated by everyone, we can no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings. It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas holiday??
You know, saying "Season's Greetings" or "Happy holidays" really has never bothered me.  What's the point of wishing someone a merry Christmas if they don't celebrate Christmas?  

Though, counting the holiday decorations in elementary school always amused me because it tried so hard not to offend.  If there were 6 Christmas pictures, there'd be 6 Hanukkah pictures (of the same size, of course), 5 generic, and 3 Kwanza.  And possibly two pictures representing a holiday that no one had ever heard of, just to be safe.

#22 Rov Judicata

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Posted 26 July 2003 - 05:29 PM

Just a note:

"Christmas as an American tradition" is overblown. Without going into too many details, it was barely even observed before the civil war. I'd comment on the rest, but Cardie did it for me...
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#23 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 27 July 2003 - 02:50 AM

QueenTiye, on Jul 26 2003, 01:12 AM, said:

In LoTS response to me - he equated America's willingness to be open to other cultures with tax breaks.  I fail to see the connection between the two things - other than further misperception of blame as belonging to the immigrants rather than to our politicians.

The connection, albiet tenuous, is the preferential treatment given to immigrant...over American citizens. Perhaps I didn't make that clear enough.

As for English being the national language...I'm all for it. Although, I wouldn't even know how to go about making that law...or what, exactly, it would entail. I just feel that if one comes to this country, one should learn OUR language...not expect US to learn theirs.

The way the tax breaks for immigrants figure in...is it's basically discrimination against law abiding citizens. Why give tax breaks to people who JUST came to this country? Further: Why allow them to leave, then come back, so that they can remain here tax free?

I don't see the government offering this deal to American citizens. Hmmm. wonder why?

You're correct, though, QT. It's the politicans who are allowing this to happen.
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#24 Cardie


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Posted 27 July 2003 - 04:31 AM

LotS, doing business in a country of which you aren't a legal resident often entails tax breaks. That's why US corporations and wealthy individuals have offshore accounts. Although I'm not really sure what tax breaks there are here that are reserved only for immigrants--I'd like to see the precise language of the tax code--if they are for non-citizens generally, then of course we have to take advantage of other tax breaks than these, of which there are many,if we are citizens.

I don't see how trying to accommodate non-English speakers forces English speakers to learn another language (not that this isn't a good idea.) It's not like any public or private concern is being set up that we can't access unless we speak, say, Spanish.  Now there is at least a makeable argument about whether resources should be spent on bilingual communication, or whether we do immigrants no favor by not making it more difficult if they don't learn English. But no native English speaker's right are being infringed upon just because of efforts to accommodate others who don't speak English.

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#25 Nick



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Posted 27 July 2003 - 06:03 AM

Ask your friend what paper they were reading that said the veil case was reversed, best I can find (dated July 10th) still talks about the original ruling still standing.

BTW--whole-heartedly disagree w/ you LoS . . . but this is one of those times I'm better off just keeping my mouth shut. ;)


#26 Rhea


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Posted 29 July 2003 - 02:01 AM

Delvo, on Jul 25 2003, 09:22 PM, said:

Rhea, on Jul 25 2003, 02:38 PM, said:

I'm beginning to think that the people who keep screaming about anyone who isn't WASPY moving somewhere else ought to do it themselves - because trying to  make America an in-club of WASPS isn't possible, isn't gonna happen, and IT'S UNAMERICAN.
What about people who scream (or talk/type) about what should be done about other people whom they accuse of screaming things they didn't scream (or even say/type)?
LOL! Point to Delvo. But, truly, I *am* getting tired of the "if you don't like it, move" chant. :p :p
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