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Health Care Obama Speech 2009

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#1 Spectacles

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:11 PM

You find it livestreaming here and there: CBS, MSNBC, CNN, etc.

All I want to hear him say is "I will veto any bill that does not contain a strong public option."

He won't be saying that, though.

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:13 PM

http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/  

You can watch here, if you like.
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"Although health care enrollment is actually going pretty well at this point, thousands and maybe millions of Americans have failed to sign up for coverage because they believe the false horror stories they keep hearing." -- Paul Krugman

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:27 PM

Watching now . . . got a late start.

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:28 PM

"Now is the time to bring the best ideas of both parties forward"

*twitch*

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:29 PM

I'm videotaping it.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:35 PM

I smell mandates!

Eeeeyup.  And he just compared it to auto insurance.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo!

Well, at least he's coming out strongly in favor of the public option . . . oh wait, no he isn't. :sarcasm:

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:36 PM

Very good speech. Good explanations.
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"Although health care enrollment is actually going pretty well at this point, thousands and maybe millions of Americans have failed to sign up for coverage because they believe the false horror stories they keep hearing." -- Paul Krugman

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:38 PM

Good. He's now rebutting the b.s.

Re death panels: "It is a lie, plain and simple."
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"Although health care enrollment is actually going pretty well at this point, thousands and maybe millions of Americans have failed to sign up for coverage because they believe the false horror stories they keep hearing." -- Paul Krugman

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:39 PM

I had to walk away.  On the one hand he says that we will have access to insurance for SERIOUS INJURY.  In the next breath he talks about everyone being required to have "basic health coverage" which is NOT the same as serious injury insurance.  

Then he says there will be a hardship exemption.  Yeah I know how that works.  

I'm more disgusted than ever.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:39 PM

He's actually talking about the Public option now . . . hmmm . . . you gonna surprise me, Mr. President?

Talking about the monopolies . . . good . . . good . . . c'mon . . . you can do it.

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:40 PM

someone should merge the thread I just started with this one.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:41 PM

View PostSpectacles, on Sep 9 2009, 08:36 PM, said:

Very good speech. Good explanations.

It's an interesting speech, to be sure. But in the end, all that matters are the hard results-and who will benefit/who will get screwed.

Walk the walk-not just talk the talk.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:42 PM

By God, he said it!

Good boy.

Hang on, I smell backpeddling.

Grrrrr . . . "only an option for those who don't have insurance."

Insurer of last resort much?  How's that competitive?

I detect a tad bit of scolding towards his "progressive friends."  f*ck you.  Remember whose feet and knuckles were calloused walking neighborhoods and knocking on doors to get you elected, Mr. President.

Edited by Nick, 09 September 2009 - 07:45 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:43 PM

Baucus didn't applaud for the public option. Gee.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:44 PM

The public option is for serious injury.  The mandate is for basic coverage (like check ups, periodic testing, flue...).  Two completely different animals.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:47 PM

View PostNick, on Sep 9 2009, 08:42 PM, said:

By God, he said it!

Good boy.

Hang on, I smell backpeddling.

Grrrrr . . . "only an option for those who don't have insurance."

Insurer of last resort much?  How's that competitive?

It's an item in the menu of choices for the uninsured.
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"Although health care enrollment is actually going pretty well at this point, thousands and maybe millions of Americans have failed to sign up for coverage because they believe the false horror stories they keep hearing." -- Paul Krugman

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:49 PM

View PostSpectacles, on Sep 9 2009, 08:43 PM, said:

Baucus didn't applaud for the public option. Gee.

And the f*cker doesn't face the voters until 2014.

Best way to mitigate him is to take out Reid, and maybe we can get a decent Senate Majority Leader with the balls to take his committee chairmanship away.  I'd love to replace Reid with Schumer.

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:49 PM

Good clear explanation of how to pay for this.

It's a fine speech, beautifully organized, laying out what anyone who's followed the issue closely should already know--but many do not.

Still wobbly on the public option, as expected.
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"Although health care enrollment is actually going pretty well at this point, thousands and maybe millions of Americans have failed to sign up for coverage because they believe the false horror stories they keep hearing." -- Paul Krugman

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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:51 PM

He won't sign a bill that adds one cent to the deficit.

So...um....HOW is he going to pay for it?  

Oh my....savings within the current health system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Nice idea but so completely impractical that it's almost funny.  

And not a dollar from medicare trust fund.  

How will they administer the elimination of unwarranted medicare subsidies to insurers?  Not for free I'll tell you that.

I don't agree that it's a good let alone realistic explanation for how to pay for it.  EVEN if it works, it will take time, which will not impact how it's paid for now.
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Posted 09 September 2009 - 07:53 PM

View PostBad Wolf, on Sep 9 2009, 06:51 PM, said:

And not a dollar from medicare trust fund.

Not that there are any dollars in the Medicare trust fund. (Actually, trust funds.)

They contain Treasuries -- U.S. government debt.

Edited by Palisade, 09 September 2009 - 07:55 PM.

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