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#1 Vapor Trails

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Posted 18 September 2009 - 11:44 PM

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Here's a statistic bound to stiffen the resolve of health care reformers: The number of yearly U.S. deaths linked to lack of health insurance is now thought to be nearly 45,000 -- about 2.5 times more than previous estimates seven years ago. That means one person dies every 12 minutes. Why the jump? The study in the American Journal of Public Health points to an increase in the number of uninsured -- at least 46 million today -- and a fraying medical safety net.

The Harvard University-based researchers say uninsured, working-age Americans have a 40 percent higher risk of death than their privately insured counterparts. In 1993, that number was just 25 percent. "The uninsured have a higher risk of death when compared to the privately insured, even after taking into account socioeconomics, health behaviors and baseline health," says lead author Andrew Wilper, who worked at Harvard Medical School when the study was done. "We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart disease -- but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications."

With health insurance premiums rising 131 percent since 1999, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, it's no wonder more and more Americans are dropping off the insurance rolls. The U.S. House and Senate are both tinkering on their own versions of a health care reform bill, but both have the same goal -- covering all Americans -- that has been Barack Obama's mantra even before becoming president. Nevertheless, the details of how the $774-billion-plus price tag will be paid for, as well as whether there will be a government-run plan -- have kept the reform process moving in slo-mo.

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#2 Palisades

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 12:36 AM

As a point of reference, 2,426,264 Americans died in 2006 according to the CDC, which is about 55 every 12 minutes.
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Posted 19 September 2009 - 01:33 AM

Yeah, but universal health care is commie nonsense right?

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 07:22 AM

View PostGodeskian, on Sep 19 2009, 02:33 AM, said:

Yeah, but universal health care is commie nonsense right?

Socialist nonsense. ;)
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Posted 19 September 2009 - 07:59 AM

View PostGodeskian, on Sep 19 2009, 01:33 AM, said:

Yeah, but universal health care is commie nonsense right?

Yup, and the fellow who came up with the idea for universal health care was Abbey Normalle. :p~

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 10:32 AM

View PostGodeskian, on Sep 19 2009, 12:33 AM, said:

Yeah, but universal health care is commie nonsense right?

Look at what the doctor said: "We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart disease -- but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications."

From the examples the doctor gave, it seems like the problem is the the expensiveness of medications in America. One way to address that would be to allow market forces to equalize the prices paid in the U.S. and in countries that have imposed steep price controls on the drugs. This could be done by allowing Americans or American distributors to purchase drugs from Canadian (or European) distributors. This would arbitrage away the huge price difference and make drugs more affordable to Americans. If the drug companies are right, not charging Americans massively more than they charge Canadians and Europeans would destroy the drug companies' ability to do development of new drugs, research, and testing, but the price of drugs in America would be brought down. Doing this might also reduce health insurance premiums in America.
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#7 offworlder

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 12:16 PM

we're just at the point where the world cannot afford everyone; so I guess those without money like me should just crawl off in a dark corner, along with the folk in famined Africa.. and the uninsured in USA.

really> I just read, before this headline of lack of insurance kills, that with the healthcare plan costs taking funds away from foreign aid and such a great many in the third world will die directly because of the new gov health plan.

with our hugely rising populations, and our not rising numbers of jobs that pay a wage/salary to make a living, the well-placed and well-networked in professional lives will gain, and everyone else will lose. I myself am finding that it is much harder to get jobs now than it was fifteen or twenty years ago > AND The Healthcare that comes/should-come with them.
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Posted 19 September 2009 - 08:06 PM

View PostPalisade, on Sep 19 2009, 11:32 AM, said:

Look at what the doctor said: "We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart disease -- but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications."

I have diabetes, and my current problem is not that I can't afford my meds -- my grocery store has a program I belong to that provides my medications for about $10 a month -- but that without insurance, my doctor won't see me in order to provide (actually, just RENEW) a prescription.

So it's not the meds, but the doctor's visit required in order to renew my prescriptions that's the problem for me.  (I don't see why I can't just pay for the visit outright, but they won't even consider it, which is weird.  So I'm working on alternatives.  *sigh*)

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 11:32 PM

View PostPalisade, on Sep 19 2009, 08:32 AM, said:

View PostGodeskian, on Sep 19 2009, 12:33 AM, said:

Yeah, but universal health care is commie nonsense right?

Look at what the doctor said: "We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart disease -- but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications."



It's not JUST medications.  It's also "getting into our offices".
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Posted 20 September 2009 - 11:13 AM

View PostAvalon, on Sep 19 2009, 09:06 PM, said:

View PostPalisade, on Sep 19 2009, 11:32 AM, said:

Look at what the doctor said: "We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart disease -- but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications."

I have diabetes, and my current problem is not that I can't afford my meds -- my grocery store has a program I belong to that provides my medications for about $10 a month -- but that without insurance, my doctor won't see me in order to provide (actually, just RENEW) a prescription.

So it's not the meds, but the doctor's visit required in order to renew my prescriptions that's the problem for me.  (I don't see why I can't just pay for the visit outright, but they won't even consider it, which is weird.  So I'm working on alternatives.  *sigh*)

Weird, that should be criminal, if you are willing to pay for the visit outright, why will they not see you? In order to renew a prescription! Is there any other way to get it renewed? A free walk-in-clinic or something? Good luck.

Even here in Ontario with socialized medicine there is a shortage of family doctors (it is getting better though), but there is a walk-in-clinic for those without family doctors.... I have one, but if I have something needing urgent (but not hospital emergency) care (such as an ear infection) I'll go there if its the weekend when my doctor's office is closed, or if during the week, my doctor can't fit me in that day.
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#11 Rhea

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 12:15 PM

View PostAvalon, on Sep 19 2009, 06:06 PM, said:

View PostPalisade, on Sep 19 2009, 11:32 AM, said:

Look at what the doctor said: "We doctors have many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart disease -- but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications."

I have diabetes, and my current problem is not that I can't afford my meds -- my grocery store has a program I belong to that provides my medications for about $10 a month -- but that without insurance, my doctor won't see me in order to provide (actually, just RENEW) a prescription.

So it's not the meds, but the doctor's visit required in order to renew my prescriptions that's the problem for me.  (I don't see why I can't just pay for the visit outright, but they won't even consider it, which is weird.  So I'm working on alternatives.  *sigh*)

The law changed a few years ago and docs can't legally prescribe meds if they haven't seen you within a specified period of time (it used to be a year, it may have changed). If they do, they can lose their license.

Edited by Rhea, 20 September 2009 - 12:24 PM.

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