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#1 Drew

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 05:15 AM

New York to open 1st School exclusively for gay students

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - A school in New York's Greenwich Village will reopen in September as America's first publicly run high school for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender students, officials said on Monday.

Although The Harvey Milk School has been operating with two classrooms for 20 years, $3.2 million is being spent by the City to expand it to take 100 students. Named after a gay San Francisco politician assassinated in 1978, the school will be funded jointly by the city education department and a gay rights youth advocacy group.

Er . . . okay, is this a proper use of public money? Is it unnecessarily segregationist?

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 05:17 AM

I think it's problematic.

Segregation only increases the 'us' vs. 'them' attitude.
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Posted 29 July 2003 - 05:29 AM

Oh my.

I don't agree with this.

Let's have schools exclusively for Latinos and African Americans.

Better yet let's have public schools exclusively for Caucasions.

Oh wait, they outlawed that.

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 05:33 AM

I had been seeing the headlines walking by newstands "Gay High" is the blaring headline of The New York Post.  I thought it was just some situation in which the majority of students happened to be gay...

This is so offensive I don't even know what to make of it.

They should start White High next.  And also, Black High, Asian High....

BTW - there used to be a Boys High.  Lots of effort went into making it Boys and Girls High... and THAT'S a move I disagree with.  How come it's alright to have a Gay High now?

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 05:34 AM

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I agree with you QT.

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 05:35 AM

Yah - I was just about to get my FIRST EVER chance to say -

BORG! LOL!

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 05:37 AM

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heh.  I'll say it for you!

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 05:39 AM

I disagree too. If they want to have a Private Gay school funded by this "gay rights youth advocacy group" that is their buisness , like it is for there to be Private schools for catholics, etc, but a Public "Gay" school? Heck, I disagree with there being Public Catholic schools in Ontario :p

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 05:40 AM

Ok. But I have to step back for a minute and say something contradictory...

While I don't agree with the concept of GAY High - I could readily see a school where a philosophy embracing homosexuality were taught - as in a parochial school, open to both gay and straight students.  AND - such a school would necessarily be private....

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 05:41 AM

Some of the schools around where I live, have a Gay-straight Alliance club or whatever its called.... a much better idea than segreation.
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Posted 29 July 2003 - 05:57 AM

Of course, in the examples being given, we're mixing racial, religious, and sexual identity groups as if the law applied to them all in the same way. Laws require separation where religion is concerned, and forbid it where race is concerned. I don't think the law knows quite what to do with sexual identity groups yet. Is it a matter of choice, like religion? Is it a matter of biology, like race? Is it something completely different?

And it may be worth noting that when the law requires separation, it says "Go start your own school, but you don't get any public money." But here we have state-endorsed and funded segregation.

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 06:07 AM

Drew, on Jul 28 2003, 11:47 AM, said:

I don't think the law knows quite what to do with sexual identity groups yet.
Drew, that is the most insightful comment I've seen on this issue on this board.

You hit the nail on the head.

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But here we have state-endorsed and funded segregation.

To me this is the bottom line.

And that is what makes it not okay to me.

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 06:07 AM

Drew, on Jul 28 2003, 02:47 PM, said:

Of course, in the examples being given, we're mixing racial, religious, and sexual identity groups as if the law applied to them all in the same way. Laws require separation where religion is concerned, and forbid it where race is concerned. I don't think the law knows quite what to do with sexual identity groups yet. Is it a matter of choice, like religion? Is it a matter of biology, like race? Is it something completely different?
But whatever it is - creating a school JUST for them discriminates against everyone else.

Just by being a statistical minority, they have a probable chance of being better off than some other schools - in a city where overcrowding is one of the major educational problems - if it works out that they have smaller class size - the case could be made that it was inherently because of the discriminatory nature of the school.  

And what happens if a straight student wants to attend?  AND - what is this business of kids being allowed to make sexuality a standard for educational choices anyway?  Aren't we supposed to be discouraging sexual activity for minors??? (Or is that just my prudishness showing...)

ERG... I just can't agree with this on any level.

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 06:10 AM

Well I am oppose to the concept I also can see that this could be seen as an attempt to place at risk students who might subject to attacks by other students,and would be a place where they did not need to feel forced to stay in the closet for fear of attacks. So the other side of the coin has reasons for it being there.
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Posted 29 July 2003 - 06:14 AM

Let's look at the issue backwards:

If we accept that the claim of beatings/harrasment of gays in public schools are true, what are we left with?

The state is still obligated to provide an education, can't ignore the safety of the students, and can't possibly assign guards to all the gay students during school hours. Any 'education' campaign would be unlikely to work.

What other options do they have?
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Posted 29 July 2003 - 06:17 AM

QueenTiye, on Jul 28 2003, 01:57 PM, said:

And what happens if a straight student wants to attend?  AND - what is this business of kids being allowed to make sexuality a standard for educational choices anyway?  Aren't we supposed to be discouraging sexual activity for minors??? (Or is that just my prudishness showing...)
I was going to ask the same two questions.  :cool:  But then, my prudishness is on record.
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Posted 29 July 2003 - 06:20 AM

Javert Rovinski, on Jul 28 2003, 12:04 PM, said:

Let's look at the issue backwards:

If we accept that the claim of beatings/harrasment of gays in public schools are true, what are we left with?

The state is still obligated to provide an education, can't ignore the safety of the students, and can't possibly assign guards to all the gay students during school hours. Any 'education' campaign would be unlikely to work.

What other options do they have?
Rov I do not and will NEVER accept that argument.

When desegregation first occurred do you think there were no hazings and beatings of black kids?

Do you think that women were well treated in schools?

The answer is to punish the hell out of hate crimes and work on eradicating the bigotry that leads to them, not to hide away the victims in some secluded segregated environment.

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Posted 29 July 2003 - 06:20 AM

Javert Rovinski, on Jul 28 2003, 02:04 PM, said:

If we accept that the claim of beatings/harrasment of gays in public schools are true, what are we left with?
I'm sure kids who identify themselves as gay will receive abuse. So do those who identify as geeks, as nerds, as members of the marching band or chess club. Schools are microcosms of a society where different identity groups clash as a matter of course. Which groups are most deserving of being given "protected" status?
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Posted 29 July 2003 - 06:23 AM

Rov, why do you think any "education" campaigns won't work?
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Posted 29 July 2003 - 06:25 AM

Lil, Drew-- FTR, I don't buy the argument either. I see your points. As I mentioned in my first post, I find this an extremely problematic decision. I'm just trying to explore why the officials reached this solution.
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