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#1 Palisades

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 12:08 PM

http://news.yahoo.co...e_overhaul_dean

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WASHINGTON – Former Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean argued Wednesday that the health care overhaul bill taking shape in the Senate further empowers private insurers at the expense of consumer choice.

"You will be forced to buy insurance. If you don't, you'll pay a fine," said Dean, a physician. "It's an insurance company bailout." Interviewed on ABC's "Good Morning America," he said the bill has some good provisions, "but there has to be a line beyond which you think the bill is bad for the country."

"This is an insurance company's dream," the former Democratic presidential candidate said. "This is the Washington scramble, and it's a shame."

Dean asserted that the Senate's health care bill would not prohibit insurance companies from denying coverage for preexisting conditions and he also said it would allow the industry to charge older people far more than others for premiums.

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#2 Julianus

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 12:45 PM

View PostPalisade, on Dec 16 2009, 05:08 PM, said:

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WASHINGTON – Former Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean argued Wednesday that the health care overhaul bill taking shape in the Senate further empowers private insurers at the expense of consumer choice.

"You will be forced to buy insurance. If you don't, you'll pay a fine," said Dean, a physician. "It's an insurance company bailout." Interviewed on ABC's "Good Morning America," he said the bill has some good provisions, "but there has to be a line beyond which you think the bill is bad for the country."

"This is an insurance company's dream," the former Democratic presidential candidate said. "This is the Washington scramble, and it's a shame."

Dean asserted that the Senate's health care bill would not prohibit insurance companies from denying coverage for preexisting conditions and he also said it would allow the industry to charge older people far more than others for premiums.

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I agree with Dr. Dean, and the House Bill is really no better, imo. The plans pander to the insurance companies, AND offer a chance to drastically increase the size of government. A single payer system such as in the UK or Canada should (and God only knows if we would get people who could effectively administer it) should drastically reduce the administrative costs in health care and more effectively provide incentives for people to get regular medical check ups. Any heatlhcare reform has to make clear where responsibilities lie and I don't believe that the present bills accomplish that.
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#3 Palisades

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 12:53 PM

^ I'm pretty sure that by this point most of the politicians still willing to vote for this monstrosity know it's a bad bill, despite what they may say in public. They're just desperate to pass something, anything, with "health care" in its title so they can claim victory and have something to show their base. Never mind that their base is pissed at them and the general public is cynical of the whole effort.
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Posted 16 December 2009 - 01:04 PM

FireDogLake wants the Senate bill killed too.
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#5 Nick

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 01:08 PM

I'm leaning towards Dr. Dean's "kill it" opinion too.  I hate the status quo and it's unsustainable, but the insurance mandate will make it even worse without something to force the insurance companies to actually compete with one another.  Is the 90% requirement still alive?  Repeal of the antitrust exemption?  I've lost track of what's still kicking and what's dead.

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 02:49 PM

Kos posted a neat idea I can go along with.

No public option?  No medicare expansion?  No anti-trust protections? No anti-recission protections?

Fine.

Kill the mandate.

Nobody but the insurance companies likes it anyway.  And it's transparently a giveaway.  A tax on those who can least afford it, that goes not in to the public coffers, but that of the Insurance industry to do with as they please.  (Another yacht?  Don't mind if I do!)

Anyone who votes in favor exposes themselves for what they are and doesn't get the electoral cover being against the bill provides in 2010.

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 09:11 PM

View PostJulianus, on Dec 16 2009, 09:45 AM, said:

View PostPalisade, on Dec 16 2009, 05:08 PM, said:

http://news.yahoo.co...e_overhaul_dean

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WASHINGTON – Former Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean argued Wednesday that the health care overhaul bill taking shape in the Senate further empowers private insurers at the expense of consumer choice.

"You will be forced to buy insurance. If you don't, you'll pay a fine," said Dean, a physician. "It's an insurance company bailout." Interviewed on ABC's "Good Morning America," he said the bill has some good provisions, "but there has to be a line beyond which you think the bill is bad for the country."

"This is an insurance company's dream," the former Democratic presidential candidate said. "This is the Washington scramble, and it's a shame."

Dean asserted that the Senate's health care bill would not prohibit insurance companies from denying coverage for preexisting conditions and he also said it would allow the industry to charge older people far more than others for premiums.

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I agree with Dr. Dean, and the House Bill is really no better, imo. The plans pander to the insurance companies, AND offer a chance to drastically increase the size of government. A single payer system such as in the UK or Canada should (and God only knows if we would get people who could effectively administer it) should drastically reduce the administrative costs in health care and more effectively provide incentives for people to get regular medical check ups. Any heatlhcare reform has to make clear where responsibilities lie and I don't believe that the present bills accomplish that.
Pax,
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I'm agreed with you. I cannot, for the life of me, understand that hysteria that develops every time a single payer system is dicussed. Socialism! Marxiam! The ruination of the U.S.! Old people will die! It'll give us all warts! (Ok, maybe not. :p ) Gah.

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 09:48 PM

View PostPalisade, on Dec 16 2009, 09:08 AM, said:

http://news.yahoo.co...e_overhaul_dean

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WASHINGTON – Former Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean argued Wednesday that the health care overhaul bill taking shape in the Senate further empowers private insurers at the expense of consumer choice.

"You will be forced to buy insurance. If you don't, you'll pay a fine," said Dean, a physician. "It's an insurance company bailout." Interviewed on ABC's "Good Morning America," he said the bill has some good provisions, "but there has to be a line beyond which you think the bill is bad for the country."

"This is an insurance company's dream," the former Democratic presidential candidate said. "This is the Washington scramble, and it's a shame."

Dean asserted that the Senate's health care bill would not prohibit insurance companies from denying coverage for preexisting conditions and he also said it would allow the industry to charge older people far more than others for premiums.

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Posted 16 December 2009 - 10:15 PM

Might as well kill the entire thing. It's a bad joke at this point. I think we've given enough gifts to the insurance industry. What we really need we won't get because republicans will not support it. What we have is a mishmash of crapolla to pander to folks whose main goal was to do nothing in the first place.
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