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Natural disasters Earthquake in Haiti 2010

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#1 Vapor Trails

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 10:11 AM

I'm coming out of lurkdom to start this subject-I'm surprised no one's mentioned it yet. I contacted a friend in the Dominican Republic, and he felt it in his office. He came out to see his SUV shaking, light poles rocking, houses shaking and the ground moving under him. He's okay, thankfully.

This is supposedly the largest quake there in 200 years.

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 12:47 PM

Haitians barely scrape by in the best of times and now, in the wake of four destructive hurricanes, they get this.  It's an awful tragedy right in the backyard of the US.  The Prime Minister says that so many inhabited structures have collapsed that he fears the death toll may be in the thousands or even hundreds of thousands. :(

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 12:57 PM

I didn't even realize they were susceptible to earthquakes of that magnitude . . . I know there are volcanoes in the area, but wow . . . how terrible.

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Posted 13 January 2010 - 02:30 PM

For those looking to help, here are some good organizations that will use your donations well.

Partners In Health

pih.org

Fonkoze

fonkoze.org

Doctors Without Borders (currently running one of the nation's only working trauma hospitals)

https://donate.docto...ce=ADR1001E1D01

Yelé Haiti

http://www.yele.org/

And for those tempted to write off this very troubled country as a lost cause, Haiti's actually been making progress for the past few years, with a new, comparatively open government in place, economic growth and exports on the rise.  Our help can mean the difference between a tragic but temporary setback and a slide back into the abyss.
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Posted 13 January 2010 - 04:04 PM

View PostNick, on Jan 13 2010, 12:57 PM, said:

I didn't even realize they were susceptible to earthquakes of that magnitude . . . I know there are volcanoes in the area, but wow . . . how terrible.

Apparently geologists have been saying for a while that one was due, but nothing of this magnitude has struck in the area for over 200 years.  It was a perfect storm of a mess.  The epicenter was right under the most populated city and many of the dwellings are made of heavy concrete and notorious for non-existent building codes and lack of structural soundness.  But even fancy government buildings and the best hotels have pancaked.

I've already sent money to DWB/MSF.

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Posted 14 January 2010 - 12:17 AM

All of the Doctors Without Borders hospitals have been destroyed.  All they can do at the moment is first aid, no surgery.  The situation is even worse than first reported.
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Posted 14 January 2010 - 04:56 AM

this is just horrible.

i've also seen mention elsewhere (though i can't find confirmation yet) that Port-au-Prince's docking facilities have sunk into the bay or been destroyed beyond repair....which means that ships from other countries trying to bring relief will be hard pressed to dock somewhere to offload what they have brought. :(

for those with cell phones...i have read this on twitter but i don't know how reliable it is. (as i have a prepaid phone i can't do it, tho i wish i could):
Wyclef Jean offers two ways to get involved:Donate $5 to his Yele Haiti Earthquake Fund by texting "Yele" to 501501 (the $5 will be charged to your cell phone bill) or visit www.Yele.org and click "donate."

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Posted 14 January 2010 - 10:16 AM

One of the most horrific things I've heard are stories of children sleeping among rotting corpses. :cry:

Someone NEEDS to get those kids OUT of those conditions NOW!!!

:( :( :( :(
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Posted 14 January 2010 - 10:20 AM

View PostMuseZack, on Jan 13 2010, 02:30 PM, said:

For those looking to help, here are some good organizations that will use your donations well.

Partners In Health

pih.org

Fonkoze

fonkoze.org

Doctors Without Borders (currently running one of the nation's only working trauma hospitals)

https://donate.docto...ce=ADR1001E1D01

Yelé Haiti

http://www.yele.org/

Thank you. I have never been in a position to make more than the odd $5 donation in the past, but now I am.

ETA: FYI for some reason the 2nd link doesn't work.

Edited by sierraleone, 14 January 2010 - 10:23 AM.

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Posted 14 January 2010 - 10:30 AM

I found a news article that says the Canadian government will match donations made by Canadians dollar for dollar, up to $50 million.... but the article did not saying how they are tracking that (does it need to be to a specific organization or something?).

ETA: Took awhile to find:

http://calgary.ctv.c...hub=CalgaryHome

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Any donation made to Canadian charitable organizations between Jan. 12 and Feb. 12, 2010 will be matched by Ottawa through the Haiti Earthquake Relief Fund -- which is managed by the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA). CIDA will then allocate these funds to Canadian and international humanitarian and development organizations.

You'd think they'd advise on how to make a donation that CIDA will match, a link, or a phone number or something. But it shouldn't be too hard to find out now that there is a name.

ETA: Here we go for CIDA's Haiti page. Not much helpful info yet, as it looks like if you are waiting for them to say what charities are eligible (or what charities will accept the government money) you maybe waiting too long. They've done this in the past, you'd think they'd keep the list from last time so people at least have a rough idea. Well established ones that typically accept government money *will* probably be fine I'm guessing...
http://www.acdi-cida...N-114115719-MVV

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 04:46 AM

Something that gets to me a bit is this.


They fear that 50'000 people may have died in the earthquake two days ago.

Yesterday on the BBC news website front page as its main headline was (basically) its raining in England. This made news because it's raining, but then it freezes so here, look at the people fall and crawl across the road.

WTF? 50'000 people have just died in the space of a minute and all you care about is that it's raining here?!


Also, how comes it takes so long to get aid to these people? I mean come on its now the third day and aid is just getting there? Eh? I'm sure the flight can't be more than 19 hours from anywhere in the world. So ok, people from like China might take a while to get there, they're allowed to arrive on the 3rd day but what about places close, like America or even England.


It just pisses me cause it kinda seams like the hype is dying down now on its 3rd day, and by the end of the week everyone would have forgot about it (figuratively speaking). It happened with the Tsunami where THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE died, and it seams like its going to happen with this one also.

No disrespect one little bit but 3000 people or so lost their lives at 9/11 and we still hear about it all the time.

Of course any life lost is a great thing.

In my opinion it SEAMS like (in MY opinion) that the people who died in 9/11 where more important than the people who died in Haiti or Thailand. I have an opinion as to why I think this might be but then I really would be pushing it to the limits on this board...
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Posted 15 January 2010 - 05:15 AM

View PostMr Dust, on Jan 15 2010, 10:46 AM, said:

Also, how comes it takes so long to get aid to these people? I mean come on its now the third day and aid is just getting there? Eh? I'm sure the flight can't be more than 19 hours from anywhere in the world. So ok, people from like China might take a while to get there, they're allowed to arrive on the 3rd day but what about places close, like America or even England.

I suppose it's not so much about getting the aid to Haiti on some air-field or other, but about getting it to those who need it. Earthquakes and their aftermath are tricky because they change the rules completely: from one minute to the other you're living in a totally hostile territory. Simplest things no-one thinks about normally, become huge problems: water, electricity etc. are either not there or can fall out at any given moment. Roads are blocked by collapsed buildings (and stay blocked for weeks), what buildings stand have to be checked and/or secured because of the after-quakes before you can use them - that is if you can still use them, there are or can be explosions and fires because of gas-leaks, there isor can be looting, the people that need the help are scattered, etc.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 06:53 AM

Mr Dust- it's because 9/11 had wider implications and was fairly related to the UK (as allies of US and having such close business ties- there were Brits working in the towers too). Natural disasters- sometimes, you just think "It's terrible, but what else can I say?" There's nothing to say - every natural disaster is the same, you do what you can, people help, it's not usually anyone's fault. I think the New Orleans flood would be a more comparable event than 9/11 - 9/11 wasn't the same, it wasn't accidental.

To be fair, I bet if the media kept going on about it they would be accused of being sick and voyeuristic, capitilising on people's pain. They can't really win...

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Also, how comes it takes so long to get aid to these people? I mean come on its now the third day and aid is just getting there? Eh? I'm sure the flight can't be more than 19 hours from anywhere in the world. So ok, people from like China might take a while to get there, they're allowed to arrive on the 3rd day but what about places close, like America or even England.

The snow kept them grounded in London for ages, at least a day, if not more. We're sending over a specialist rescue team of 6 and rescue dogs. I hope they can help.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 07:47 AM

It's certainly not forgotten here in the US.  Almost nothing else is in the news at all.  The problems with getting aid to those who need it have two main sources.  First, they only have one runway open at the Port au Prince airport and they have had to turn back some planes and ground others because only so many can crowd into the airspace and find a place to park once they are there.  The port and the cranes used to load cargo off ships are also destroyed.

Secondly, there's a huge shortage of fuel to power land vehicles and most roads are blocked with debris.  The USS Carl Vinson (aircraft carrier) is getting there today and will probably send heavy duty helicopters out with supplies.  It's times like these that you wish they could just "beam" things in.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 08:27 AM

Watching the news coverage of this is so depressing. :( I really hope something can be done about this, but the problem is that while money can probably be taken there fairly quickly, just money isn't going to do much good. Real helpful stuff takes much longer to assemble.
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Posted 15 January 2010 - 08:31 AM

Actually - there's no power, so there's no air traffic control.  The airfields had become a place of refuge for people, as the only place with lights.  Everything about this situation compounds the awfulness.

By now everyone's heard about various ways to contribute material support.  The White House has been advertising that you can text "HAITI" to 90999 to contribute $10 to the Red Cross, while Wyclef Jean's organization Yele has it so you can text "Yele" to 501501 to contribute $5. A Christian Science Monitor article reviews whether or not contributing to Wyclef's organization is the best way to help, and while it starts out seeming negative, I would suggest, that it's actual conclusion is that if we can, we ought to support both organizations.  Their argument (in a nutshell) is that under conditions of extreme instability, like now, supporting the Red Cross is better, because they have the resources, skill and experience to get in and coordinate under extreme circumstances.  They also note, however, that once a degree of stability is restored - larger organizations tend to miss other aspects of rebuilding that are needed (or sometimes, simply leave, because their work is done).  This is where smaller charities like Yele come in.  http://www.csmonitor...y-to-help-Haiti

This blog: http://itsjustlight.com/?page_id=777 lists a whole slew of charitable organizations that can be helpful, including Doctors Without Borders.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 10:55 AM

QT, I think the US military got in with a generator and radar equipment and re-established at least rudimentary air traffic control.  CNN reported that the Army was running the tower now.

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Posted 15 January 2010 - 08:45 PM

Compare the bonuses from Wall Street to what is needed in Haiti today, and that tells you all you need to know about how screwed up this world is.
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Posted 16 January 2010 - 02:14 AM

Mr. Dust, some ppl have already said it but a natural disaster is far differnt from a terrorist attack. with one such as this (quake) there is the risk of aftershocks causing further damage or hindering rescue efforts.  i'm sure there are geologists strictly monitoring this but still, quakes are highly unpredictable.  at least with a tsunami or a hurricane, if another one follows along the same path, you MAY have some time to prepare.

a quake is a quake, whether foreshock, central or aftershock.  the fault lines just decide to go SNAP!! and that's it.  if you're in the wrong place, you're SOL.

Port-au-Prince's docks have sunk into the bay.  there's no power to air control.  roads are likely blocked or badly damaged so that probly even cancels out sending the stuff to the Dominion Republic and trucking it over.  it is not like the world is ignoring this tragedy.  i understand your point abt that particular newscast or paper, but claiming that no one cares is stretching it, i think.

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Posted 16 January 2010 - 02:47 PM

President George W. Bush and President Clinton, at the request of Obama, are now working together to help spur fundraising efforts.

http://www.clintonbushhaitifund.org

On a purely political note, if this is to be Bush's reemergence into the national theater after a year-long absence, I cannot say it is a bad one.  Good for him.  I hope he really does use his commitment to charitable work (PEPFAR, anyone) like Clinton has.
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