G1223, on Feb 9 2010, 01:37 AM, said:
Well consider how they helped that banking crisis along. Makes you wonder were they looking to carry out a plan or was simple greed. My first idea is jump at greed. Because it explains a lot and explains why some of them did it but look at the people a lot of folks in the administration took inspiration from. People who want to TAKE from the rich and give it to the poor. I mean not what I think they want but what they say. Van Jones who was suppose to be another of these Czars. Gave a speech where he talks openly about taking from those that have the means and giving to those who do not.
There is a lot of thought behind this. And I can say I think America is starting to wake up.
But back to the banking mess. Look at who was on the Congressional Banking Commitee. Chris Dodd who got direct loan from Lending Tree but nothing wrong there. He just "Happened" to get a LOWER rate than others. Dodd was one who pushed hard to have the Banking Restrictions removed by Clinton.
But to hear the Dems in the Congress and the White House it was Bush who did all this. Mr. Dodd would never have supported anything like this. ANd yet it was Bush who asked for a closer eye to be taken with FreddyMac and Fannie May. And Dodd who said none was needed.
How much are we STILL pumping into those bottomless holes?
It was also under Clinton that the banks were de-regulated.
Omega, on Feb 9 2010, 05:12 AM, said:
G1223, on Feb 9 2010, 04:32 AM, said:
Yet your President has said Republicans do not offer anything.
The Democrats have apparently accepted all the Republicans' proposals, the Republicans seemingly have no more ideas, and yet obstruct anyway. So why is that not a fair statement?
Believe me, they've been resisting the Republican ideas from the get-go. They thought they could ram-rod THEIR HC bill down American's throats, but found out that even with bribing Louisiana and Nebraska, that their bill was not going to come to fruition the way they wanted it to be. Now, it is damage control. They feel that they have to do something to get some kind of HC plan passed. And they reluctantly are taking notice that a lot of people are not exactly fans of the 2,000+ page bill Reid shoved through the Senate. So, right now, they've got nothing. That is, except for what the Republicans have been trying to put forth for consideration from the beginning, but was ignored by Democrats. They refused to even believe those proposals existed and tried to make the Republicans look like nothing more than a bunch on do-nothing no-sayers and enemies of the American people. They're not. And those proposals prove that. Now, they're finally looking at them I suppose (if they're serious about them that is), because they have very little to work with right now, and November elections are coming.
Omega, on Feb 9 2010, 08:33 AM, said:
I disagreed with Bush's policies, and I disagree with Obama's policies. We can disagree on policy without ceasing to be Americans. But you can't reject the President and remain in favor of national unity.
I am the same way as you. I have disagreed with both Obama and Bush on a number of occaisions. We can disagree about policy without ceasing to be Americans. But you CAN reject the President and remain in favor of national unity when you feel that the President is a danger to that unity. Bush divided the nation in the end. And Obama, through smooth talking found a way to get people on his side. But now, when words he spoke require action, we are getting completely different results. He can not do what he says he will do, or he has changed what he will do from what he said he will do, or he wasn't truthful of what he said he was going to do. Which ones of those apply depend on what the subject matter is. In terms of HC, I think most of the nation (including republicans) feels that HC needs to be fixed. But what we have been seeing in Congress in the last few months was not what people thought was going to happen. So now, Obama has re-divided people, and it is worse now than before. People are not happy with how huge government reach has become. Threatening banks, taking over car companies, wanting to control 1/6th of the nation's economy, playing games with taxes. He says he won't raise taxes, but at the same time, he wants to let the tax cuts under Bush expire. He'll raise taxes on companies, who will simply pass the expense to consumers. This is not a good formula, and it is just the tip of the iceberg.
My side is that of a unified America. If that's not your side, fine. But if all your intention is to be divisive and hurt this country just to make a point, then you are not any sort of hero, and you are doing no sort of good.
I think we all want a unifed America. I know it doesn't seem like it at times because we're all so passionate. But we do care about the country, whether we agree or disagree on how to do things. It's not G's intention or mine to be "divisive". That was done by politicians who are NOT doing their jobs representing the people and working FOR the people. They're working for themselves for their own benifit, and doing it with a smile on their faces, saying they are here for us, but giving a big fat middle finger to us citizens when the camera's aren't rolling.
Sometimes when you feel that things are so bad, and you want to show people what you think is going on, you have to play the "villain". By that, I mean, you have to tell people what they don't want to hear (because they want to believe that things WILL be better and that they didn't vote for the wrong person) because they have to break free from their ideals and come back to reality and face the situation head on. Hope that makes sense. You have to hold EVERY politician accountable. Whether you like that politician or not, you have to keep an eye on them and make sure they do what you voted them into office to do. No favorites, or excuses.
Lover of Purple, on Feb 9 2010, 10:22 AM, said:
Be carefull G, constantly posting your hatrid of the President in so many threads could be seen as spamming. Just a friendly alert.
I don't hate the President, I just disagree with most of his policies but he still is the President. To state otherwise is to disrespect the office and I will not do that. So he is my President even though I didn't vote for him, until the next election anyway and then we will see.
Not to mention, this IS the internet. Big Brother does stroll around, even to little boards like EI. Be careful how you post about politial figures.
I don't hate the President either. Like you, I disagree with most of his policies. If one is not happy with the job the President is doing, and he/she ignores the people, then next election, we elect someone else. Right now, he's not off to a good start.