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the shifting politics of the insurance mandate

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#1 Spectacles

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 09:43 AM

Good overview of the political history of the controversial mandates. It was originally a GOP-favored part of health care reform and was a key component of the GOP counter-proposal to Hillarycare, which did not contain mandates, in 93.

When Hillary ran in 2008, she became convinced that mandates were the only politically viable path to universal health care, so she included them in her proposal--which Obama ran against in the primaries. But the fact is, if the Democrats are going to try to meet the GOP halfway with a market-based health insurance system, they had to adopt a Republican approach: hence the mandates.

So Obama embraced the mandates he had criticized in the primaries (along with the excise tax he had criticized in the campaign against McCain--but this is what politicians do: say what we want to hear to get elected.)

Even more, Obama and the Democratic leadership were afraid of pushing for a public option in the exchanges, where we the uninsured will shop for policies. I guess they were afraid that the GOP would call them socialists. Good thing they didn't do anything to upset the GOP but wisely took the GOP route to health care reform. Otherwise, the GOP could scare people into thinking that Obama was a big ol' skeery socialist Kenyan guy--or something.

Anyway, this is an interesting article that lays out the political history of the mandate.

http://www.huffingto...m_n_515743.html
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#2 Palisades

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 10:14 AM

^ The public will know which party to blame for the mandate.
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#3 Bad Wolf

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 10:15 AM

The public are idiots.
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Posted 27 March 2010 - 10:19 AM

To elaborate:  The public are not interested in the facts.  The public are interested in being spoon fed sensationalist editorials from posers claiming to be journalists and then adopting those editorials rather than think independently.  God forbid the public actually elect to be confused with facts rather than have their minds (I use the term loosely, very loosely) made up for them.
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#5 Palisades

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 10:21 AM

^ So...when did the Republicans ever vote in favor of this mandate?
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#6 Bad Wolf

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 10:27 AM

Oh I'm not saying the Democrats don't share some of the blame, and, if you read Specs' initial post carefully you'd see that SHE'S not saying that either, I'm just commenting on your response about the allegedly knowledgeable public in this country.
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#7 Spectacles

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 02:26 PM

View PostPalisade, on Mar 27 2010, 11:21 AM, said:

^ So...when did the Republicans ever vote in favor of this mandate?

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Certainly not when it was finally brought to the table--even though they originated the idea.

What interests me is how this shows how far the entire country has shifted to the right. It would be funny, if it weren't tragic, that so many actually believe that this health care bill represents some sort of socialist scheme. The right is howling socialism and Obama's most avid supporters among Democrats are hailing it as a great, progressive achievement right up there with FDR's New Deal and LBJ's Great Society.

The truth is that the most unpopular element of this socialist/progressive "Obamacare" was actually a conservative proposal 17 years ago.

Edited by Spectacles, 27 March 2010 - 02:28 PM.

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"Although health care enrollment is actually going pretty well at this point, thousands and maybe millions of Americans have failed to sign up for coverage because they believe the false horror stories they keep hearing." -- Paul Krugman

#8 Cardie

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 01:42 AM

I still thought, rather than fininf people, they just ought to say that you can only get the new goodies in the plan if you buy health insurance within a certain, relatively brief, period of time after it goes into effect and never subsequently go without for more than that period.

If people want to risk not being eligible for coverage and subsidies should they develop a pre-existing condition five years from now as weighed against the cost of coverage for five healthy years, then let them play that roulette game.

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