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#1 Bad Wolf

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 12:12 PM

I'm watching the press conference right now.

He announced in both English and Spanish that while he remains dead set against the recall ("It's wrong."), he feels that a serious democrat candidate needs to be on the ballot in the interest of protecting the State.

His motto will be "Vote no on Recall, and Yes on Bustamante".

The funniest part of the conference was when somebody asked him about the prospect of Schwarzennager (sp) running.  He said "Well remember that movie Twins?  I guess I must be Danny De Vito"  (everyone in the audience cracked up).

So, anyways, the plot thickens.

California's got such a double whammy.  Dubbaya at the Fed level, Davis at the state level, and now a costly recall election that it just cannot afford to deal with, with no telling just how much more chaos this will cause in the way the state is run.

*sigh*

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 01:51 PM

Lil, I agree 100%.  I am glad Bustamente has decided to run.  Of all the people running I feel he would be the best, even better than Davis.

I also think that no matter what the Recall election should take place in the spring with the primaries.  This special election could disenfranchise too many voters.  That is not Democracy in my book.
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Posted 07 August 2003 - 01:52 PM

Yeah.  I've always liked Bustamente.  And I agree about the potential for disenfranchizing the voters too.

*sigh*

It is NOT a good time to be a Californian.
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Posted 07 August 2003 - 01:56 PM

Indeed, we are facing a crisis of unknown proportions.  

Sad, very sad.
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Posted 07 August 2003 - 02:02 PM

Setting aside my major philosophical differences with Bustamante, my gripe is that he has stated emphatically, over and over ... "I will not run."

So is he a man of his word or not? To me it appears he is not.

As to a demo running ... I've thought all along the demos were being pig-headed in not running someone.



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Posted 07 August 2003 - 02:08 PM

kimmer, on Aug 7 2003, 12:02 PM, said:

Setting aside my major philosophical differences with Bustamante, my gripe is that he has stated emphatically, over and over ... "I will not run."

So is he a man of his word or not? To me it appears he is not.

As to a demo running ... I've thought all along the demos were being pig-headed in not running someone.



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Well, hell...coyness is a requirement for politicians. They all say they're not running....till they do. :p :p

And I'm *so* glad you're not voting for Arnie.  

Reagan was at least a good actor - Arnie isn't even that. And I can't quite get how waving around big guns in front a movie camera prepares you for the running of a state government.  :wacko:
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Posted 07 August 2003 - 02:10 PM

So what if he said he wouldn't run.

Things change.

I fail to see any problem with this.

From my perspective he is setting aside his personal disgust with the recall for the good of the State.  He feels we need a strong democrat candidate and he's right (from my perspective) so bravo to him for seeing the bigger picture.

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 02:16 PM

kimmer, on Aug 7 2003, 11:02 AM, said:

Setting aside my major philosophical differences with Bustamante, my gripe is that he has stated emphatically, over and over ... "I will not run."

So is he a man of his word or not? To me it appears he is not.

As to a demo running ... I've thought all along the demos were being pig-headed in not running someone.



kimmer - who ain't voting for Arnie either
Well, sometimes the change in a situation will cause a change in someone's mind.

And not only women should be allowed to change their minds.

This now $65 million+ dollar fiasco has turned into a circus.  The Democrats were solid on their support of Davis before actors, porn stars and porn peddlers got into the fray.  Now that it is turned on its ear they have had to face the fact that now it is down to survival and every man for themselves.

That is the saddest part.  

I am all for people wanting to participate in politics and if the governing body is blowing it they need to be held accountable.  But look at the national debit, look at the fact that keeping troops in Iraq is costing billions of dollars and American lives.  In my mind the Bush administration is blowing it too, but I am not in support of those calling for his impeachment.

I think if folks are unhappy vote the person out the next election (unless they do something criminal)  This whole recall effort is going to cost us so much money and stability, and I seriously doubt that we will be better off.  No, this is a coup to change the leadership from Democratic to Republican, plain and simple.  And if Bustemante has the best chance of keeping that from happening and his party called on him to do it, then that is what is the best for the party.  To me it doesn't matter if he said he wouldn't run, at the time he said it, it was true.  But things have changed far too much. For me this is the only recall news that hasn't set me into a flying fit!
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Posted 07 August 2003 - 02:18 PM

"Reagan was at least a good actor - Arnie isn't even that. And I can't quite get how waving around big guns in front a movie camera prepares you for the running of a state government. "

Apparently that was good enough for Minnesotta and the state didn't explode or go down to crisis like others have said. I really don't see what the great problem is, especially considering the Arnold's connections and the possibility that he will have a team of advisors that might be able to help. I don't think he can do any worse than Ventura.

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 02:19 PM

^

I couldn't agree more!

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 02:58 PM

GiGi, on Aug 7 2003, 07:16 PM, said:

kimmer, on Aug 7 2003, 11:02 AM, said:

Setting aside my major philosophical differences with Bustamante, my gripe is that he has stated emphatically, over and over ... "I will not run."

So is he a man of his word or not? To me it appears he is not.

As to a demo running ... I've thought all along the demos were being pig-headed in not running someone.



kimmer - who ain't voting for Arnie either
Well, sometimes the change in a situation will cause a change in someone's mind.

And not only women should be allowed to change their minds.

This now $65 million+ dollar fiasco has turned into a circus.  The Democrats were solid on their support of Davis before actors, porn stars and porn peddlers got into the fray.  Now that it is turned on its ear they have had to face the fact that now it is down to survival and every man for themselves.

That is the saddest part.  

I am all for people wanting to participate in politics and if the governing body is blowing it they need to be held accountable.  But look at the national debit, look at the fact that keeping troops in Iraq is costing billions of dollars and American lives.  In my mind the Bush administration is blowing it too, but I am not in support of those calling for his impeachment.

I think if folks are unhappy vote the person out the next election (unless they do something criminal)  This whole recall effort is going to cost us so much money and stability, and I seriously doubt that we will be better off.  No, this is a coup to change the leadership from Democratic to Republican, plain and simple.  And if Bustemante has the best chance of keeping that from happening and his party called on him to do it, then that is what is the best for the party.  To me it doesn't matter if he said he wouldn't run, at the time he said it, it was true.  But things have changed far too much. For me this is the only recall news that hasn't set me into a flying fit!
GiGi, I'm philosophically against the recall, but why are you making a martyr out of Gray freakin' Davis?  The guy who ran the dirtiest California campaign since 1934 against a fellow democrat, Dianne Feinstein?  The guy who positioned himself to the right of the Republicans on multiple issues?  The guy who won't parole abused women who killed their abusers in self-defense?  The guy who's in the pocket of the prison guards' union?  Good riddance to Gray Davis.

It'll serve the Republicans right if, as it appears likely, their expensive recall ends up galvanizing the Democratic base in advance of the 2004 election and replaces an unpopular conservative Democrat governor with a popular, progressive Latino governor (Bustamante).)

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 03:05 PM

With everyone wanting to run for govenor of California I have just one question.
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Where do I go to get added to the ballot? ;)

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 03:24 PM

MuseZack, on Aug 7 2003, 12:58 PM, said:

It'll serve the Republicans right if, as it appears likely, their expensive recall ends up galvanizing the Democratic base in advance of the 2004 election and replaces an unpopular conservative Democrat governor with a popular, progressive Latino governor (Bustamante).)

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You make it sounds like the republicans would resent that.

The bottom line here is the welfare of California. Bustamante would be a fine governor... and I think having somebody more fiscally responsible (hell, how about simply fiscally competent) than Davis will more than pay for the recall.

Philosophically, I see where you're coming from... but as a matter of practicality, this seems to be a winning situation for everybody not named 'Davis'. If a democrat ends up in office, what of it? The state is still better off.
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Posted 07 August 2003 - 03:29 PM

MuseZack, on Aug 7 2003, 11:58 AM, said:

GiGi, I'm philosophically against the recall, but why are you making a martyr out of Gray freakin' Davis?  The guy who ran the dirtiest California campaign since 1934 against a fellow democrat, Dianne Feinstein?  The guy who positioned himself to the right of the Republicans on multiple issues?  The guy who won't parole abused women who killed their abusers in self-defense?  The guy who's in the pocket of the prison guards' union?  Good riddance to Gray Davis.

It'll serve the Republicans right if, as it appears likely, their expensive recall ends up galvanizing the Democratic base in advance of the 2004 election and replaces an unpopular conservative Democrat governor with a popular, progressive Latino governor (Bustamante).)

Zack
Erm, uh Zack, I am not seeing where I am making a martyr out of Davis other than saying the Republicans are out to swing the governorship of California to the republican side.  And yes, Davis has given them just cause.

Actually, I would rather Bustamante be Governor and Organian1 (who is in SF working on the Metalica concert) has been saying that Davis should resign.

So, to be clear, no, I am not on Davis' side. And the facts you have in your post make me even more against him.

I am against the SPECIAL $65 MILLION DOLLAR election!  Let's vote in Spring, but at this juncture I am just as glad to vote in Oct to get this fiasco over with!!!!!!
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Posted 07 August 2003 - 03:33 PM

Javert Rovinski, on Aug 7 2003, 08:24 PM, said:

MuseZack, on Aug 7 2003, 12:58 PM, said:

It'll serve the Republicans right if, as it appears likely, their expensive recall ends up galvanizing the Democratic base in advance of the 2004 election and replaces an unpopular conservative Democrat governor with a popular, progressive Latino governor (Bustamante).)

Zack
You make it sounds like the republicans would resent that.

The bottom line here is the welfare of California. Bustamante would be a fine governor... and I think having somebody more fiscally responsible (hell, how about simply fiscally competent) than Davis will more than pay for the recall.

Philosophically, I see where you're coming from... but as a matter of practicality, this seems to be a winning situation for everybody not named 'Davis'. If a democrat ends up in office, what of it? The state is still better off.
Hey, I'm just relieved Dick Riordan isn't running.  A pro-choice, pro-union, socially progressive, fiscally responsible Republican?  I'd probably have ended up voting for the guy.
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Posted 07 August 2003 - 04:00 PM

Zack no one is saying Davis is a martyr.  He's a bad governer.

So what?

He's the governer WE elected.  Barring an impeachable offense the way to say good riddance to him is to vote him out properly.  Not oust him through means of some special election that is only here because it was spearheaded and funded by one of his political foes.

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 04:06 PM

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Not oust him through means of some special election that is only here because it was spearheaded and funded by one of his political foes.

Who isn't running in the recall itself.

Calif. Recall Leader Says He Won't Run
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Posted 07 August 2003 - 04:09 PM

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So what if he's not running.
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Posted 07 August 2003 - 04:17 PM

^Just a point of fact, my dear Lil :)
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Posted 07 August 2003 - 04:21 PM

jon3831, on Aug 7 2003, 02:06 PM, said:

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Not oust him through means of some special election that is only here because it was spearheaded and funded by one of his political foes.

Who isn't running in the recall itself.

Calif. Recall Leader Says He Won't Run
That's only because he's turned out to be such a jerk that nobody would vote for him. :p :p
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