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Poll: What do you think of this campaign? (25 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you think of this campaign?

  1. Fair marketing strategy (15 votes [62.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.50%

  2. Unfair marketing ploy (9 votes [37.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.50%

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#1 QueenTiye

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 05:14 PM

Apparently - in an effort to attract adult smokers, this company is offering lifetime cigs - it seems that they want the celebs to go smoking at posh clubs and such.

http://story.news.ya...lth&cat=Smoking

Edited by Certifiably Cait, 02 September 2012 - 03:28 PM.

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#2 Rov Judicata

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 05:23 PM

I heard about this on the radio.

It's an absolutely brilliant marketing strategy. I wish I had thought of it. I don't see how it can be unfair. 'Free samples' and 'celebrity endorsements' have a long tradition; this is just the logical merging of the two

Edited by Javert Rovinski, 07 August 2003 - 05:23 PM.

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 05:41 PM

I don't think it's either fair or unfair.

It's not about fairness for me-- it's about covering their asses.

"Lifetime cigarettes" make it a shorter lifetime.

My opinion, at least.

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#4 CJ AEGIS

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 07:53 PM

Good ploy I have to say on their part.  I don’t see anything legally wrong with it though it does hit a nerve considering how much I despise smoking.  

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Money Quote: Freedom paid covert actresses, called "leaners," to smoke the cigarettes in Manhattan bars and nightclubs for several weeks this spring in a New York effort to promote the fledgling brand, company spokeswoman Nancy Tamosaitis said.
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"We're not looking for B*rn*y to be our celebrity and start smoking," Carroll said.
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Posted 07 August 2003 - 08:06 PM

the'Hawk, on Aug 7 2003, 05:41 PM, said:

"Lifetime cigarettes" make it a shorter lifetime.
Anything that shortens the lifetimes of celebrities is fine by me!  :D

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 08:12 PM

In the United States, folks boast about drug busts, that kids should say "no" to drugs, condemn places like Columbia for exporting illegal drugs-and yet we export tobacco, which is just as deadly as cocaine and heroin. All three kill-but tobacco is legal, and the other two are not. Tobacco just takes longer to do you in. But all three can put you six feet under. And yet I'm willing to bet we make more money-BLOOD MONEY-from tobacco than all the countries combined who export wares like cocaine and heroin to the U.S.

The blood money made from tobacco funds many infrastructures in the U.S. And my understanding is that it's also a big stick that is wielded in U.S. politcs.

And yet-I've NEVER heard any of this brought up by ANYONE.

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Posted 07 August 2003 - 10:59 PM

the'Hawk, on Aug 7 2003, 03:41 PM, said:

I don't think it's either fair or unfair.

It's not about fairness for me-- it's about covering their asses.

"Lifetime cigarettes" make it a shorter lifetime.

My opinion, at least.

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We COULD just consider it evolution in action.  :p  :p
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#8 QueenTiye

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Posted 08 August 2003 - 12:42 AM

Thank you everyone.  I had trouble with this one.  For very good reason - cigarette smoking in the movies and on television has been curtailed.  Now this company has found a backdoor.  In all the essentials - this is a fair marketing strategy - it breaks no laws, circumvents the issues the censors would complain about - and is coming in a time of awareness - those celebrities who DO take the offer are not ignorant of the truth of cigarettes.

Having said that - look at who they are preying on? People who would do something just because a celebrity showed up to a club doing it are people who are very vulnerable.  I'm dismayed by this campaign, and the moral implications of feeding deliberately off of the worst in human nature.  

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Posted 08 August 2003 - 02:09 AM

QueenTiye, on Aug 7 2003, 10:42 PM, said:

Thank you everyone.  I had trouble with this one.  For very good reason - cigarette smoking in the movies and on television has been curtailed.  Now this company has found a backdoor.  In all the essentials - this is a fair marketing strategy - it breaks no laws, circumvents the issues the censors would complain about - and is coming in a time of awareness - those celebrities who DO take the offer are not ignorant of the truth of cigarettes.

Having said that - look at who they are preying on? People who would do something just because a celebrity showed up to a club doing it are people who are very vulnerable.  I'm dismayed by this campaign, and the moral implications of feeding deliberately off of the worst in human nature. 

QT
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"To be honest, celebrities make or break your brands."  A quote from the article.

How else is the cigarette industry going to advance itself? These days, ethics in advertising is almost nil, not far from the old days. But you know?, I've never heard of the brand that is promoting this....Cigs cheaper than cheap taste cheaper than cheap, and make you HACK horribly, among other things in the long term, yadda, yadda...Who are these people and why do they want our most vunerable except to make money?
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Posted 08 August 2003 - 02:25 AM

QueenTiye, on Aug 8 2003, 05:42 AM, said:

Having said that - look at who they are preying on? People who would do something just because a celebrity showed up to a club doing it are people who are very vulnerable.  I'm dismayed by this campaign, and the moral implications of feeding deliberately off of the worst in human nature. 

QT
The irony of what you said is that Arnold Shwarzenegger is going to run for governor of California-and he might win because of the roles he's played in movies.

People looking up to celebs because they are "cool."

Vulernable? More like lacking in intelligence.

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Edited by Vapor Trails, 08 August 2003 - 02:26 AM.


#11 Rov Judicata

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Posted 08 August 2003 - 02:43 AM

QueenTiye, on Aug 7 2003, 10:42 PM, said:

Having said that - look at who they are preying on? People who would do something just because a celebrity showed up to a club doing it are people who are very vulnerable.  I'm dismayed by this campaign, and the moral implications of feeding deliberately off of the worst in human nature. 

QT
Isn't that what all 'luxury item' marketing does?

One could go down a similar path and bemoan the fact that people are going to eat more hamburgers and fries because of whoever they have endorsing their products (They use celebrities on a regular basis... usually sports stars... but I'm blanking). The entire point of marketing is that the campaign is designed to overcome our will. This is merely the logical extension of that.

Further, I doubt this will increase smoking among celebrities; they don't need free cigarettes. If somebody is going to smoke because celebrities do it, this campaign won't change that; at most, it will change their brand of choice.

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Posted 08 August 2003 - 11:48 AM

Good marketing plan, and nothing unfair about it.

People need to take some personal responsibility when it comes to the things they do to themselves, and if a few celebrities smoking free cigarettes really convince a significent amount of people to start lighting up, then we have a lot more to worry about than how the tobacco companies advertised (it's not like their using subliminal messaging or brainwashing).
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Posted 08 August 2003 - 12:58 PM

From Patrick Carrol, founder of Freedom Tobacco.

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Tobacco’s not for everyone, but it’s not the evil weed that many portray it to be. It’s been demonized for its association with ‘Big Tobacco’.
[/quote]



I think it's been demonized for it's association with Lung Cancer.

The Surgeon General's warning appears on the same page as this statement.
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Posted 09 August 2003 - 07:41 PM

That's very creative... I wish I had thought of that.
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