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Poll: Animal Rights (55 member(s) have cast votes)

Animal Rights

  1. Leave the Hawk alone, and let it hunt the grounds (50 votes [90.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 90.91%

  2. Take the Hawk out of town and release it (4 votes [7.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.27%

  3. Other (1 votes [1.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.82%

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#1 Kosh

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Posted 09 August 2003 - 03:00 PM

West Virginia's Capitol Building:

http://www-wv.er.usg...charleston.html


The Red Tailed Hawk:

http://www.motownfla...24x768_185.html



From West Virginia's Capitol Building, Pictured in the first link, you need drive only a few miles to see wildlife. Deer have visited the Capitol, Squirrels live on it's grounds. Black Bears have been to the edge of town.

Last summer, a Red Tailed Hawk, pictured in the second link, decided that the Capitol Grounds was the perfect place to hang out, with all of the trees and grass, the river near by and all the food a hawk could ask for, living right there on the grounds. Many witnessed the Hawk in action, from standing in a tree, watching the squirrels, to picking one out, launching from his pearch and killing and eating the Squirrel. Animal rights people were aghast, wanting the Hawk removed from the grounds to protect the city Squirrels, others wanted it removed to prevent children from seeing the carnage, while others, including myself, said leave it alone, few other Capitols could be a place for humans and nature in harmony. Everybody, including children, should see nature in action.


What would you do?


If you chose other, please post what you would do.


I will come back in one week, after Hawk returns from vacation, and tell you what was or wasn't done.

Edited by Certifiably Cait, 02 September 2012 - 03:24 PM.

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Posted 09 August 2003 - 03:27 PM

Kosh, on Aug 9 2003, 08:00 PM, said:

. Animal rights people were aghast, wanting the Hawk removed from the grounds to protect the city Squirrels,
To me this just proves again that Animal Rights is the most screwed up thing to come down the pipeline in a long.  In case they havenít noticed Hawks are predators and eat meat.  Things like nice fuzzy rodents like squirrels are pests when they get out of control and Hawks keep the population in check.  Wake up people and remember you basic ecology and that furry tailed rodents are snacks on legs.    

Donít get me wrong Iím a strong supporter of the Animal Welfare movement and the activities of groups like the Humane Society of the United States.  They tend to hit on the real injustices against animals and illustrate the changes that do need to be made.  If one things hurts their cause is that many people donít understand Animal Rights and Animal Welfare are too very different things that are out for two very different goals.      


PS Does this mean we can relocate our Hawk on whim?  :D
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Posted 09 August 2003 - 06:08 PM

I'd leave alone, unless it starts attacking people. :crazy:
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Posted 09 August 2003 - 06:32 PM

Birds of prey need to hunt wherever they can to survive. If that means that a squirrel looses it's life, such is the way of things.

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Posted 09 August 2003 - 06:33 PM

Ah, the beauty of nature adapting to us messing with ecosystems ;)

Leave the Hawk be.  Just because the squirrels are cute and fuzzy doesn't exempt them from the food chain. :)

Besides, hawks aren't exactly dumb birds.  And if you drive it out of the city, it's just as likely to come back to where there's a nice ample supply of food ;)
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#6 Jid

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Posted 09 August 2003 - 06:37 PM

DWF, on Aug 9 2003, 05:08 PM, said:

I'd leave alone, unless it starts attacking people. :crazy:
Unlikely, thankfully.  I spent a summer with the Canadian Wildlife Service and had the opportunity to learn a bit more about the predatory bird kingdom :)

A lot of birds of prey I figured large enough to catch squirrel sized prey actually only eat things like grasshoppers and small birds.

On the flip side, I've seen Kestrels and Loggerhead Shrikes(relatively small) take on birds their own size for a meal :cool:

Some of them, like the bald eagle, won't even catch their own food if they don't have to!

So unless someone started going after this Hawk's nest, at *worst* it might try and attack someone's Chihuahua.  If you can call that a bad thing.  I detest dogs that small. ;)

Edited by Jid, 09 August 2003 - 06:38 PM.

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Posted 09 August 2003 - 06:57 PM

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So unless someone started going after this Hawk's nest, at *worst* it might try and attack someone's Chihuahua. If you can call that a bad thing. I detest dogs that small.

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#8 Kosh

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Posted 09 August 2003 - 08:01 PM

Uncle Sid, on Aug 9 2003, 07:57 PM, said:

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So unless someone started going after this Hawk's nest, at *worst* it might try and attack someone's Chihuahua. If you can call that a bad thing. I detest dogs that small.

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Posted 09 August 2003 - 09:05 PM

I voted for them to leave it alone.  The problem with kids today is that they don't see the natural cycle of things any more.  It is important for them to see what real life is about, not just what is on Saturday morning cartoons.

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Posted 09 August 2003 - 09:21 PM

Leave the bird be.  It's nature.

It's kinda like PETA telling the town Hamburg to change its name to Veggieburg.
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Posted 09 August 2003 - 09:52 PM

^And promote the slaughter of helpless vegetables?

*gasp* ;)

And Sid - sorry, but I still dislike chihuahuas ;)
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Posted 09 August 2003 - 09:59 PM

Leave it alone.

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Posted 09 August 2003 - 10:31 PM

I would consider the relocation if it was endagered or was attacking folks. Ithat is why I voted for relocation.
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Posted 09 August 2003 - 10:42 PM

I voted leave it alone.  As much as I hate it, hunting and killing are a part of life.  I wish it weren't so but there it is.  So, just accept it.
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Posted 09 August 2003 - 11:44 PM

I'd let it be.  The ONLY case in which I would relocate the hawk is if the squirrels were of a specific rare variation.  My hometown has a population of squirrels that are solid black, and there's a place in Missouri (Aurora, IIRC) that has all-white squirrels.  In *that* case, I can see relocating the predator.  But for ordinary red or gray squirrels, leave it alone and let it hunt.



(And woohoo for ridding the world of chihuahuas ;)  Make more room for *real* dogs! :look:)

Edited by silverwind, 09 August 2003 - 11:46 PM.


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Posted 09 August 2003 - 11:52 PM

Leave the bird be. Its a hawk and a squirrel... Hawks eat squirrels, its a part of nature. If one doesn't understand thaat, methinks they have to go back to elemetary school and learn the life cycle and food chain all over again.  ;)

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Posted 09 August 2003 - 11:58 PM

silverwind, on Aug 9 2003, 11:44 PM, said:

I'd let it be.  The ONLY case in which I would relocate the hawk is if the squirrels were of a specific rare variation.  My hometown has a population of squirrels that are solid black, and there's a place in Missouri (Aurora, IIRC) that has all-white squirrels.  In *that* case, I can see relocating the predator.  But for ordinary red or gray squirrels, leave it alone and let it hunt.



(And woohoo for ridding the world of chihuahuas ;)  Make more room for *real* dogs! :look:)
Round here, black squirrels used to be a rare sight. People started live trapping them from the woods and moving them into town. Problems is, they are far more aggressive than the red or grey squirrels. In some of the smaller towns, the reds and greys have been partically driven out, and the blacks have taken over. ;)

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#18 Shalamar

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Posted 10 August 2003 - 12:02 AM

Leave the hawk alone.

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Posted 10 August 2003 - 01:58 AM

Let the hawk be.... and kudos to it for finding a place to live in a populated area where more people can appreciate it, should they choose to notice that it's THERE and is a beautiful living creature....
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Posted 10 August 2003 - 06:40 AM

Leave the Hawk alone, do the Animal Rights people think protection only extends to something cute and fuzzy? The Hawk has just as much right to live as any other creature..

Besides, squirrels are tasty  :p

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