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#1 Nittany Lioness

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 01:01 PM

I'm impressed with Kirsten Powers; I've only seen her be unreasonable once.  Pretty good record for a democratic champion.

This is touching on what I had mentioned in the other abortion thread Guttmacher's numbers and the reasons women state for seeking an abortion:

http://www.thedailyb...trol-myth/full/

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A January 2011 fact sheet by the pro-abortion rights Guttmacher Institute listed all the reasons that women who have had an abortion give for their unexpected pregnancy, and not one of them is lack of access to contraception. In fact, 54 percent of women who had abortions had used a contraceptive method, if incorrectly, in the month they got pregnant. For the 46 percent who had not used contraception, 33 percent had perceived themselves to be at low risk for pregnancy; 32 percent had had concerns about contraceptive methods; 26 percent had had unexpected sex, and 1 percent had been forced to have sex. Not one fraction of 1 percent said they got pregnant because they lacked access to contraception. Some described having unexpected sex, but all that can be said about them is that they are irresponsible, not that they felt they lacked access to contraception. Lack of knowledge of contraception also isn’t a reason that American women get abortions. Guttmacher reported that only 8 percent of women who undergo abortions have never used a method of birth control.

This deception smacks of a fleecing of taxpayers in an effort to promote an ideological agenda, rather than a sincere effort to help women plan families.

But what is truly astonishing about the Guttmacher statistics is that they are completely unchanged from a decade ago.

In the year 2000, Guttmacher experts reported: “Forty-six percent of women [seeking abortions] had not used a contraceptive method in the month they conceived, mainly because of perceived low risk of pregnancy and concerns about contraception. More than half of women obtaining abortions in 2000 (54 percent) had been using a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant.”

These are exactly the same as the 2011 numbers.

Over this time period, the U.S. government has funneled billions of dollars to Planned Parenthood, in large part because the organization claims to provide services to avoid unplanned pregnancies – a laudable goal. Yet despite a robust budget—Planned Parenthood reported a total annual revenue of $1.1 billion in its last financial filing—the organization has done absolutely nothing to change the fundamental dynamics of the United States’ abortion rate.

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To preserve its federal subsidy, Planned Parenthood continues to claim that without its contraception services the abortion rate will go up. This deception smacks of a fleecing of taxpayers in an effort to promote an ideological agenda, rather than a sincere effort to help women plan families.

What is that ideology, exactly? To find out, you have to dig through Planned Parenthood’s tax forms because the group certainly isn’t going to tell you. According to its most recent tax filing, the purpose of Planned Parenthood Federation of America is to provide leadership in “[a]chieving, through informed individual choice, a U.S. population of stable size in an optimum environment; in stimulating and sponsoring relevant biomedical, socio-economic, and demographic research.”

So it is, in reality, a population-control organization. Funny, this was never mentioned in the gauzy $200,000 advertising campaign launched last week. It also doesn’t make it into the “About Us” section of the group’s website, which repeatedly claims its mission is to protect women’s health, when in fact the real mission is to keep the birth rate at whatever level the leaders believe it should be.

To hear Planned Parenthood and their supporters, they exist only to provide Pap smears or breast exams or prenatal services. In fact, President Cecile Richards has gone so far as to erroneously imply that they provide mammograms. (A spokesperson for the group confirmed to me that this is untrue.)

That Spain study showing that when contraception use goes from 49% to 80%, the abortion rate DOUBLES - woof!  That indicates - not a corrolary.


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Posted 04 March 2011 - 01:49 PM

Okay forgive me because I'm dealing with an old cat and I'm not fully caffeinated but I'm particularly interested in the idea that the use of contraception has anything to do with the number of abortions.  Or that the rate at which contraception is used (the Spain study you referred to) has anything to do with it (which the Spain study is saying is nothing)...What exactly is Planned Parenthood's claim here? Are they claiming that *because* they provide contraception they are helping to *reduce* the number of abortions?
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:21 PM

Yes, apparently PP claims exactly that:

http://www.signonsan...ease-abortions/#

http://www.plannedpa...ll-el-36226.htm

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:22 PM

Planned Parenthood also does more than just contraception and abortions.  They also do a lot of routine care for women, and their sliding scale for payment is what allows many women to HAVE routine care, get checked for breast cancer, and the like.  They also do prenatal care for uninsured women who can't afford doctors otherwise.  

A few years back I had severe abdominal pain, bleeding, vomiting, and weakness.  The ER told me to see specialists, and every ON/GYN I called told me I had to wait 3-5 weeks for an emergency (otherwise it would be longer).  Planned Parenthood made an appointment for me that day.  Turned out not to be an OB/GYN problem (and the ER doc that sent me away can shove it) but I'm not about to forget that when I couldn't get care elsewhere Planned Parenthood took care of me.

That, and given that I don't have health insurance right now, Planned Parenthood is where I get my birth control from.  I simply can't afford it otherwise.  And for the record I don't actually take it to prevent pregnancy - I take it because my cycles are unpredictable and awful otherwise.  So right now, without having anything to do with pregnancy, Planned Parenthood is improving my quality of life.
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:45 PM

View PostNikcara, on 04 March 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

Planned Parenthood also does more than just contraception and abortions.  They also do a lot of routine care for women, and their sliding scale for payment is what allows many women to HAVE routine care, get checked for breast cancer, and the like.  They also do prenatal care for uninsured women who can't afford doctors otherwise.  

A few years back I had severe abdominal pain, bleeding, vomiting, and weakness.  The ER told me to see specialists, and every ON/GYN I called told me I had to wait 3-5 weeks for an emergency (otherwise it would be longer).  Planned Parenthood made an appointment for me that day.  Turned out not to be an OB/GYN problem (and the ER doc that sent me away can shove it) but I'm not about to forget that when I couldn't get care elsewhere Planned Parenthood took care of me.

That, and given that I don't have health insurance right now, Planned Parenthood is where I get my birth control from.  I simply can't afford it otherwise.  And for the record I don't actually take it to prevent pregnancy - I take it because my cycles are unpredictable and awful otherwise.  So right now, without having anything to do with pregnancy, Planned Parenthood is improving my quality of life.

And again, Nikara lays it out factually.  Awesome!   :welldone:

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#6 Nittany Lioness

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:56 PM

Planned Parenthood doesn't do mammograms, btw.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:56 PM

And y'all, study up on this before you buy what Nittany is trying to sell.  Google
is your friend and helps to cut through the Fox news baloney.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 03:28 PM

Use of Contraception Drops, Slowing Decline of Abortion Rate

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Guttmacher and other groups that work to prevent unintended pregnancy credit growing contraceptive use starting in the early 1980's for the big drop in the abortion rate, which is now at its lowest since Roe v. Wade established a constitutional right to abortion in 1973.

I don't know what's going on with women in Spain but clearly we need more education about contraception not less.  Also from my googling I found several religious prolife sites that are mischaracterizing the Guttmacher report and using the study of women from the plain in Spain to make it seem like the more contraception we women use the more we abort, which seems insane cuz it is.   :crazy:

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 03:38 PM

K, so I looked at Planned Parenthood's response to the Pence bill (the second link provided by Nittany).  It says lots of good stuff.  I was trying to find the claim that contraception=fewer abortions and what I came up with was:

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This policy of attempting to undermine Planned Parenthood, the organization in the United States that does more than any other to encourage the use of contraception for those wanting to avoid pregnancy, certainly guarantees an increase in the number of unintended pregnancies.  It is difficult to understand why people who say they are opposed to abortion would do so much to undermine the family planning and contraception that helps prevent the need for it.

Now, what I think they are saying is that contraception helps avoid unplanned pregnancy.  The flaw as I see it, is in the assertion that they are claiming that contraception prevents abortion.  I think there are lots of reasons that people get abortions and unplanned pregnancy is only one of them.  I also think that there are a lot of reasons that people don't use contraception (e.g., religious tenets prohibiting it).  So it's hard to establish that causal connection.  Contraception doesn't just prevent pregnancy.  Condoms help with the transmission of stds.  So.

More to the point, I agree with Planned Parenthood's claim that the Pence bill does not fix the budget or help the economy.  It's a drop in the bucket.  The Pence bill also completely ignores all the NON abortion health care Planned Parenthood provides.  I know lots of people for whom Planned Parenthood is the only viable resource for basic gynecological care.  The Pence Bill, by cutting ALL funding, cuts off this basic care.

Anyways, the initial article makes a good case for the lack of direct causation between contraception and abortion.  What it does not do is negate the benefits of contraception or show how Planned Parenthood is claiming that contraception=fewer abortions.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 03:47 PM

I was in a Planned Parenthood clinic for the first time in my life last year.  It was for an STD screening; they're also one of the few options in my area to get those affordably, by the way.

I was the only guy in the place.  All the other patients were female, most of them young women.  What struck me was how terrified everybody looked.  Nobody wanted to be there; everyone was nervous, uncomfortable, a little bit scared.  I suppose it might have been partly the presence of a male patient putting them on edge, but then I was pretty dang nervous, uncomfortable, and scared myself, so I'm assuming it's just a normal thing to feel.

I got a clean bill of health, but I'll never forget that feeling.  In my case, it was my own fault; I'm sympathetic to the idea that it all begins with abstinence, because I wish I'd waited until after marriage myself.  But people are stupid.  We make mistakes.

Maybe some of the other patients had make mistakes as well; maybe they just wanted to get on with their lives with a modicum of privacy and dignity. I don't know their stories, but I remember thinking that anybody who ever sat in that waiting room and looked at the faces would understand why we need a place like Planned Parenthood.

We live in a society where health problems related to our basic biological drives are surrounded by shame, fear, and guilt.  If we can make that situation a little bit easier, so that people can make honest and informed choices with their lives, I think we have to do that.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 03:52 PM

Damn John.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 03:58 PM

I'm sharing interesting and unexpected commentary from The Daily Beast.  
It's Powers, a democrat pundit, nothing to do with Fox News.  Lame try.:lol:

And in the interest of fairness, Powers doesn't address this, a seeming contradictory analysis from the GI:

http://www.guttmache...ptive_serv.html

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WHAT IMPACT DO FAMILY PLANNING SERVICES HAVE?
Publicly funded family planning services help women to avoid pregnancies they do not want and to plan pregnancies they do. In 2006, these services helped women avoid 1.94 million unintended pregnancies, which would likely have resulted in about 860,000 unintended births and 810,000 abortions.[
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Contraceptive services provided at publicly funded clinics helped prevent 1.48 million of these unintended pregnancies; the remaining 450,000 unintended pregnancies were prevented among Medicaid enrollees who received publicly funded contraceptive services from private physicians.[
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Without publicly funded family planning services, the number of unintended pregnancies and abortions occurring in the United States would be nearly two-thirds higher among women overall and among teens; the number of unintended pregnancies among poor women would nearly double.[
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Contraceptive services provided at Title X-supported centers helped prevent 973,000 unintended pregnancies in 2008, which would likely have resulted in 432,600 unintended births and 406,200 abortions.[
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The services provided at publicly funded clinics saved the federal and state governments an estimated $5.1 billion in 2008; services provided at Title X–supported clinics accounted for $3.4 billion of that total.[
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In other words, nationally, every $1.00 invested in helping women avoid pregnancies they did not want to have saved $3.74 in Medicaid expenditures that otherwise would have been needed.[
17]

I don't know how they're attempting to quantify "helped to" and "likely", I couldn't download their citation - but at any rate it doesn't square with their own study of women's reasons for abortion.

Edited by Nittany Lioness, 04 March 2011 - 04:02 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 04:12 PM

View PostNittany Lioness, on 04 March 2011 - 02:56 PM, said:

Planned Parenthood doesn't do mammograms, btw.


Part of their program is to help women...and men...find the health care they need like they helped Nikcara.  That does not mean that they provide all those service, only that they can help you find somewhere to get them at an affordable price or even free.

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A staff member at your local Planned Parenthood health center can discuss breast cancer, breast exams, and breast health with you and help you find the services you need.

Sometimes just having someone to help direct you to what you need, especially if you don't have health insurance, is enough.  

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edited to add--Great post, John!!

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 04:48 PM

View PostBad Wolf, on 04 March 2011 - 03:52 PM, said:

Damn John.

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Agreed!  What a great post John!


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Posted 04 March 2011 - 05:06 PM

View PostJohn Burke, on 04 March 2011 - 03:47 PM, said:

... I don't know their stories, but I remember thinking that anybody who ever sat in that waiting room and looked at the faces would understand why we need a place like Planned Parenthood.

We live in a society where health problems related to our basic biological drives are surrounded by shame, fear, and guilt.  If we can make that situation a little bit easier, so that people can make honest and informed choices with their lives, I think we have to do that.
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Posted 05 March 2011 - 08:53 AM

That's right Tricia, but a PP head and it's champions (like a guest on Joy Behar) have falsely stated in the recent past that they do mammograms when discussing needing funding.
Orgs like, I had a link yesterday - Am. Cancer Society? which are privately funded give mammograms.

As far as "free" - I just want to point out that it may be free to the patient, but a great many someone else's are paying.

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