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#1 Hambil

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 09:17 PM

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Peaceful protesters freezing in NYC because Bloomberg took their generators the day before a massive cold front rolled in.

I cannot even begin to express my contempt for this man, and how angry I am. I want him out of office and in jail. PERIOD.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 10:19 PM

it's up to the citizens of NYC to demand Bloomberg be recalled.  once he's out of office, have him brought up on charges of theft since i bet none of those generators and such belonged to him.

oh yea, and the families of anyone who freezes to death if that should happen, God forbid?  don't forget to name Bloomberg and the City of New York in a wrongful-death suit.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 10:54 PM

All thoughts and comments I have about Bloomberg would violate US law, as well as Board GL's against calls for violence against public officials.
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 11:18 PM

As much as I don't care for Bloomberg, I care even less of the misguided idealists blogging outside on the laptops. There are plenty of hotels in NYC. Or they can go home and, I don't know, actully start looking for jobs again. Oh silly me, there I go again!  :rolleyes:  The cause! The cause! Stick it to the man!
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 11:32 PM

CJ, do some real research instead of listening to the idiots of Fox News.  :sarcasm:  many of those people HAVE jobs and are choosing to spend their free time protesting.  others can't get hired because of the illegal goings-on out there and are probly spending some downtime applying online for jobs--you know, on those laptops you think they have no right to have.  :rolleyes:

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 11:41 PM

View PostCheile, on 29 October 2011 - 11:32 PM, said:

CJ, do some real research instead of listening to the idiots of Fox News.  :sarcasm:  many of those people HAVE jobs and are choosing to spend their free time protesting.  others can't get hired because of the illegal goings-on out there and are probly spending some downtime applying online for jobs--you know, on those laptops you think they have no right to have.  :rolleyes:

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 01:23 AM

when there has been proof posted by many people of both the points i raised throughout these many threads, then that makes your ridiculous statements unfounded and false.  :whistle:

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 08:36 AM

The best real research is to actually go down and talk to the individuals involved.  Whether one agrees with them or not, real face-time and talk is more telling than any story on the news or the internet or in some op-ed piece.

I was watching Scary Movie yesterday and for a spoof they said something very real--
"Oh please. The press only wanna interview the most ignorant person they find."  You can insert angry, irrational or a few other things there in place of ignorant too.

The media always picks ...or at least only airs...what sells the story they want to tell the best.  

And that is not reasonable, well-spoken people.

It's the scary, angry people. (and they did the same thing with the Tea Party if you think back and remember...the spitting on elected officials as one example)

Meet a few real protesters in person, talk to them...not so scary after all.  (of course, if you pick the scariest angriest person there to talk to that won't work) ;)





Back to the subject of the OP...(and from the link in that article)

The timing is just too obvious--

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A day earlier, up to 40 firefighters removed the group's propane tanks and six generators, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said. That left the demonstrators to battle the cold weather seeping through their tents, blankets and sleeping bags.

"These are fire hazards (and) against the law," Bloomberg said during his weekly WOR-AM radio show Friday. "Our first concern is safety.

Suddenly these things are fire hazards?! And against the law?  Couldn't take these things away before now when it was warmer?   :sarcasm:    

Say what one will but Bloomberg saw an opportunity with cold weather approaching to do something to make 'it' all go away.

Edited by Tricia, 30 October 2011 - 03:11 PM.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:40 AM

So who would be to blame if one of these generators caught fire or there was a problem caused by the propane tanks killing people?

Wouldn't the City of New York be LIABLE since they knowingly ignored standing laws to allow those items to be used?

It cuts both ways.

These people HAVE homes to go back to and stay warm for the night. No one is forcing them to stay in that park. It is not fenced in! They can leave any time they desire. Come back when they desire.

If you don't have the necessary items to survive the conditions, GO HOME and be safe.

MY GOD, at what point did freakin common sense take a holiday. It's not murder if something happens to one of these people, it's suicide.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:56 AM

Not arguing the legality of having the generators or propane...


Only that the city conveniently chose NOW to enforce said laws.

If there is a law on the books that says that those things are illegal, you don't allow them to be used for even one day.  

Not yank them six weeks later (and yes, they have been using those things that long) just as freezing weather hits the city.



And yes, people do have a choice as to whether to stay or not.

Edited by Tricia, 30 October 2011 - 10:59 AM.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 04:07 PM

well I'll chime in here in the face of this one sided mud sling fest, I do find it interesting how many of these posts in the occupy type issues are these one sided emotional agenda sling slop fests, but,

I do believe the protesters know that parks close at night, and it's illegal to camp nights in parks, and the Oakland police sure are not the only ones kicking people out of parks at night, hell I tried to sleep in my car in a state beach park in Oregon and kicked out and hadda do motel city, c'est la guerre

and I bet the protesters know that doing generators in parks, especially if there are grass and leaves around, and trash, and autumn leaves falling and clogging all over, and with winds which can spread things about- major fire hazards that can burn whole blocks and retail districts.
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 04:11 PM

View PostTricia, on 30 October 2011 - 10:56 AM, said:

Only that the city conveniently chose NOW to enforce said laws.

If there is a law on the books that says that those things are illegal, you don't allow them to be used for even one day.  

Not yank them six weeks later (and yes, they have been using those things that long) just as freezing weather hits the city.

that too.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 04:37 PM

The protesters likely know that camping is not allowed....or do not know that rule as well as many of the others that are now being enforced.  Because they've never done it before.

In the case of New York, Bloomberg is saying that it is a park not owned by the city (if I understand right) and it is up to the owners to evict them.  Not sure how true that is everywhere but I do know that at least one of the parks in Houston is not owned by the public.  called a public park by not owned by city, county or state.

How far the local governments are willing to take the evictions or not is dependent on those individuals city councils and mayors.  And how cooperative the local Occupy movement is with requests to move due to pre-schedulked events.  Some cities and OWS groups are ust getting along better than others.

I am all for people getting along...I think that several times I have mentioned the Tea Party and how some of their media coverage was not fair also in that the media played up the bad elements there also.  Did not think that was fair but then I knew people who were involved with that also so I understood what the real and genuine concerns of theirs were, not ust the crazy things that were being said about them.

I've said it before but I'm done here.  Sometimes there is just not much more one can say.

Edited by Tricia, 30 October 2011 - 04:40 PM.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 05:03 PM

View PostCaptain Jack, on 29 October 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

As much as I don't care for Bloomberg, I care even less of the misguided idealists blogging outside on the laptops. There are plenty of hotels in NYC. Or they can go home and, I don't know, actully start looking for jobs again. Oh silly me, there I go again!  :rolleyes:  The cause! The cause! Stick it to the man!

A fair number of my friends have taken part in these protests and only one of us is unemployed.  That one is in medschool.

Just FYI.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 08:27 PM

View PostBklnScott, on 30 October 2011 - 05:03 PM, said:

View PostCaptain Jack, on 29 October 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

As much as I don't care for Bloomberg, I care even less of the misguided idealists blogging outside on the laptops. There are plenty of hotels in NYC. Or they can go home and, I don't know, actully start looking for jobs again. Oh silly me, there I go again!  :rolleyes:  The cause! The cause! Stick it to the man!

A fair number of my friends have taken part in these protests and only one of us is unemployed.  That one is in medschool.

Just FYI.

thanks, Scott, for adding this as someone who is yet another reliable source that can disprove the "lazy protestors" BS. :)

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:52 PM

View PostCheile, on 30 October 2011 - 08:27 PM, said:

View PostBklnScott, on 30 October 2011 - 05:03 PM, said:

View PostCaptain Jack, on 29 October 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

As much as I don't care for Bloomberg, I care even less of the misguided idealists blogging outside on the laptops. There are plenty of hotels in NYC. Or they can go home and, I don't know, actully start looking for jobs again. Oh silly me, there I go again!  :rolleyes:  The cause! The cause! Stick it to the man!

A fair number of my friends have taken part in these protests and only one of us is unemployed.  That one is in medschool.

Just FYI.

thanks, Scott, for adding this as someone who is yet another reliable source that can disprove the "lazy protestors" BS. :)

That isn't proof, it is a statement that cannot be verified.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:59 PM

There is a constitutional right to assemble peacefully. That right has never been held judicially to include camping in public spaces, with or without fires or heaters.

Those who insist on doing so, in inclement weather, should and will bear the consequences of their decision.

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 12:12 AM

View PostBatrochides, on 30 October 2011 - 11:59 PM, said:

There is a constitutional right to assemble peacefully.

Yes, to peacefully assemble. Which I have no issue with. None. That's what the 1st Amemdment is for.

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That right has never been held judicially to include camping in public spaces, with or without fires or heaters.

Those who insist on doing so, in inclement weather, should and will bear the consequences of their decision.

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But many of these protestors lack the understanding of "consequences". Their ideal world is one without bad consequences which never has and never will exist. If many of them are actually employed, NYC has plenty of hotel rooms. Instead, they demand that everything be provided to them. And like it or not, the City is right, there is a potential fire hazard.
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 06:43 AM

View PostCaptain Jack, on 30 October 2011 - 11:52 PM, said:

View PostCheile, on 30 October 2011 - 08:27 PM, said:

View PostBklnScott, on 30 October 2011 - 05:03 PM, said:

View PostCaptain Jack, on 29 October 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

As much as I don't care for Bloomberg, I care even less of the misguided idealists blogging outside on the laptops. There are plenty of hotels in NYC. Or they can go home and, I don't know, actully start looking for jobs again. Oh silly me, there I go again!  :rolleyes:  The cause! The cause! Stick it to the man!

A fair number of my friends have taken part in these protests and only one of us is unemployed.  That one is in medschool.

Just FYI.

thanks, Scott, for adding this as someone who is yet another reliable source that can disprove the "lazy protestors" BS. :)

That isn't proof, it is a statement that cannot be verified.


And just because Fox news says they're all lazy, jobless Socialists doesn't make it so.
Plenty of people have provided proof that there are employed people protesting.  Just
because you keep saying it doesn't make it true.

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 10:38 AM

View PostCaptain Jack, on 30 October 2011 - 11:52 PM, said:

View PostCheile, on 30 October 2011 - 08:27 PM, said:

View PostBklnScott, on 30 October 2011 - 05:03 PM, said:

View PostCaptain Jack, on 29 October 2011 - 11:18 PM, said:

As much as I don't care for Bloomberg, I care even less of the misguided idealists blogging outside on the laptops. There are plenty of hotels in NYC. Or they can go home and, I don't know, actully start looking for jobs again. Oh silly me, there I go again!  :rolleyes:  The cause! The cause! Stick it to the man!

A fair number of my friends have taken part in these protests and only one of us is unemployed.  That one is in medschool.

Just FYI.

thanks, Scott, for adding this as someone who is yet another reliable source that can disprove the "lazy protestors" BS. :)

That isn't proof, it is a statement that cannot be verified.

Really?  I'm curious, Jack: after all these years what part of my post do you refuse to accept?  

On the contrary, my post is easily verified by the half-dozen EI'ers I've met over the years, including one I've had as a houseguest, not to mention the ton of EI'ers I am Facebook friends with... though knowing my politics as you do, I confess I'm at a loss to understand why you would be skeptical in the first place.

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