The Tea Party sees any form of taxes beyond what's required to pay for necessities as being socialist/communist. They appeal to people's sense of fairness by saying that everyone should have to pay their share and that's why a flat tax is so popular and in theory it sounds great. They believe in upward mobility, if you work hard enough and that your money is your own, not the government's, hence they support lower taxes. And that's why they resonated in the last election.
Occupy Wall Street hasn't really formed a cohesive message but what most want is for the system to be as fair as possible. Finally people have had enough of big money controlling the government, it's been known for a long time, which makes the quote that goes something like, "true change only occurs when living with the status quo is more painful than the change itself" all too true. Too many are being left out while CEOs get huge paychecks, in any organization there are different pay grades based on responsibilites but the bonuses are outrageous by any measure, especially when it's people who helped run the economy into the ditch who are getting them.
People accept that there are different pay rates but this a nation of over 300 million people, a planet with 7 billion, and anyone can do that math and know that it's ridiculous for any CEO of a PUBLICLY traded company to make that kind of money. It's all about supply and demand we are all commodities when it comes to the workforce. This why I don't have so much of a problem with actors and atheletes making so much money, they sell their services/skill sets for what we are willing to pay but it's an even field based on skill, for the most part. Corporate America is more incestous and the opportunities are more insular because friends tend to give each other a leg up. This is the gist of the problem from what I gather the majority of the protestors are against.
The Tea Party believes that people should be allowed to keep what they earn. In regards to inheritances, this resonates because people worked their whole lives for their money and have already paid taxes on it once, and they should be allowed to leave it to whomever they want, and there is a great point for it. Small business owners are pro less taxes because they work for their money, it isn't invested income, well, they do invest in their business but that is different, it's how they make their living. They deserves the fruits of their labor and employ other people in most instances.
The Occupy Wall Street groups think that society, the needs of the many, rates higher than that of the idividual, the needs of the few. Social programs benefit all, better to have help when you need it. Better to provide assistance, unemployment benefits, food stamps, health care, to the needy through government than to let the masses starve, be homeless, or outright die. We can finance a military to protect us from being killed by enemies, both foriegn and domestic, but not disease or starvation, which doesn't make sense. We are promised Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, the key being LIFE. So they are for higher taxes on the rich in order to pay for these things.
The Tea Party, if Michelle Bachman is truly representative of their values, are consertative on social issues like gay marriage, on the one hand claiming they want less government but want an amendment to ban gay marriage which is government interference. I can only assume most of the Occupy Wall Street group support equality on all levels. The Tea Party has racist elements within their movement, and even Rolling Stone acknowledges Occupy Wall Street was started by anarchists.
There are public health concerns when people get together in groups like that but Americans are allowed to protest and PUBLIC property is PUBLIC property so it's time to acknowledge both and quit trying to play them up or down, in any group their will be fringe elements. I never understood how people at Tea Party rallies could abide the racist signs, you are judged by the company you keep and what you will tolerate, fairly or unfairly. I know I'd have to speak up, the same as if I were at an Occupy movement around anarchists and communists.
Both sides have valid points but government should provide assistance to a point. People aren't entitled to others money but those horded billions come from EVERYONE's work. Some mythical welfare queens from the 1980s have raised children who have more than paid back anything that there mothers took out of the system to help raise them. We are ALL invested in the success of our society. We do have to cut spending but it's also come time to pay the piper, come mister tally man tally me bananas and all that, the people who have hoarded billions are going to have put that money back in circulation through taxes.
We have the Koch brothers and this guy Grover Norquist, first time I've heard of him, on one side wanting to "starve the beast" which is also something I'd never heard of until I read the Rolling Stone article. And then you have Soros and Ayers on the other trying to overextend it.
Where the hell is the happy middle? We now have unrest in the streets of the U.S., the world economy is on the brink, and the wolves are waiting at the edge of the woods to come out when the sun sets. I said in another thread that Occupy Wall Street may succeed in scaring the traders and tycoons into doing the right thing and getting their act together. On the other hand, it may also send the world economy even further to the abyss because people see unrest here, it could backfire, and the anacharists wouldn't really care.
We are a feudal system as Specs said in another thread, this being a sci fi oriented board, all those dystopian futures envisioned in movies involved corporations being more powerful than the governments of the world. The future is now, so it makes sense that the Occupy Movement has gone to Wall Street, which is basically the draw bridge to the castle where the new royalty holds court. Our government isn't broken in the sense that the Founders set up a system that has endured for 200 years, it's just been highjacked and corrupted by special interests with the money to buy politicans.
We don't need a full on rebellion or revolution, we need a change in mentality, we need to stop feeling entitled but we also need to realize that we ALL benefit if people have the basic necessities, if nothing else then it doesn't let us descend into "please, sir, may I have some more" territory. People bought into the hope and change in 2008 and the Tea Party appealed to peoples idea of fairness in 2010. 2012 will be all about coming back to reality, it's gonna be about survival, more personal than ever, people are tired of Republicans holding the country hostage to cater to the rich and Democracts trying to call tax revenue and acting like letting people keep their money is a kindness and they should be happy with what they get. It'll be the year of compromise, the loons will fall to the wayside.
Well, I've rambled on, not like I've been posting much over the last year, lol, if you've read this far, thank you. What say you?
Edited by LiberalBob, 15 November 2011 - 08:38 PM.