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#1 Spectacles

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:51 PM

I'm just curious to know about the progress on this:

http://www.exisle.ne...ost__p__1414356

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Orpheus: A PRELIMINARY ANNOUNCEMENT OF COMING POLICY CHANGE
It's likely that there really is NO place for political DEBATE on Ex Isle. We're just the wrong venue. CIVIL discussions of news, current events and yes, even issues with a political bent, are as welcome as any other topic, but OT, as it now stands, is explicitly NOT what the members voted for: an EtU-like current affairs forum. We erred, years ago, but we'll be moving back toward OT's ORIGINAL CHARTER and the USUAL EI standard of moderation. Sorry to spring this on you --debate, scream at me, threaten to leave-- but few, if any, want that unpleasant tone in OT.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:55 PM

As far as I know, we are, just not sure when, Specs.

Thanks for reminding us, though,  with everything else that's going on :)

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:17 PM

Thanks for the quick response, Chatty.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:20 PM

You're welcome :)
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#5 Orpheus

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:46 PM

Oops. Chatty beat me to it. The short form is: absolutely.

We've just been looking at the tools available to us, because that will affect what is practical/desirable.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:54 PM

View PostOrpheus, on 26 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Oops. Chatty beat me to it. The short form is: absolutely.

We've just been looking at the tools available to us, because that will affect what is practical/desirable.

So this isn't really a moderating philosophy change but a technical change? Or it's a philosophy change that's dependent on a technical tool?

Just wondering.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 01:55 AM

Wow. I totally missed seeing this in the original thread (probably because I didn't really read the original thread. ;)). That's a big change...

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:39 AM

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#9 Orpheus

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:38 AM

View PostSpectacles, on 26 February 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

View PostOrpheus, on 26 February 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Oops. Chatty beat me to it. The short form is: absolutely.

We've just been looking at the tools available to us, because that will affect what is practical/desirable.

So this isn't really a moderating philosophy change but a technical change? Or it's a philosophy change that's dependent on a technical tool?

Just wondering.

Our primary intention is to bring Ex Isle to a single uniform standard of discussion/behavior -- a standard that has worked well on the rest of EI, while the OT standard has bred discontent and strife for years. We seek to encourage discussion, but we've heard time and again that unpleasantness drives people out.

We're also testing gentler tools to help keep the peace without resorting to more punitive measures. For example, OT bans have often been suggested, but we tried that for a couple of years with limited effect, so we'll try initially "booting" people from threads in which they can't/won't honor cool-its or otherwise behave, without stigmatizing them with the OT ban label that was used before. Such 'boots' can be appealed by PM to the Admins.

Ultimately, however, it is every member's responsibility to adhere to EI standards, recognize their own responses and avoid threads that they should recognize as highly provocative to them personally, but which other EIers may be able to discuss civilly. Posting disruptively in such threads is, well, intentionally disruptive, so sterner sanctions will remain available, as they prove necessary (e.g. ongoing patterns of disruption)

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 07:18 PM

We also hope that thread-bootings may actually save people from themselves by reducing the numbers of warnings they pick up for ignoring cool-its.

We also want to defuse the never-ending contentious AQG threads, so know that when this is implemented, complaints about being booted should be by PM to the Admins. A member is welcome to invite the WDs and any other friendly witnesses to the PM conversation but not to take it public.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 07:37 PM

View PostCardie, on 27 February 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

We also hope that thread-bootings may actually save people from themselves by reducing the numbers of warnings they pick up for ignoring cool-its.



Exactly.  It will put a step in-between a cool it and a warning for violating a cool it.




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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:48 PM

Well, looks like I'll be visiting EI even less then I do now, once this goes into effect. Good luck with the new policy.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:59 PM

Wow. I may actually start reading OT on a regular basis again once this goes into effect. As it currently stands I generally don't even bother to skim it.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:03 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on 27 February 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

Well, looks like I'll be visiting EI even less then I do now, once this goes into effect. Good luck with the new policy.

With any luck, LotS, there'll be more stuff to talk about in reviews and games, and you'll have MORE reason to visit - every place isn't OT...

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 09:10 AM

View PostQueenTiye, on 27 February 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:


With any luck, LotS, there'll be more stuff to talk about in reviews and games, and you'll have MORE reason to visit - every place isn't OT...

QT

Hope so, but EI won't be EI without OT...And while OT can be a flame fest at times, with hot and fast comments, the staff have never denied members the right to say what they want to say. If what a member wanted to say got them a warning, or suspension, then that was just that...But to boot someone from the thread entirely, as if to say: "you're no longer allowed to speak on this topic."....

oh hell no!

They day the staff boot me from a thread, is the day I never return to EI.
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#16 QueenTiye

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:27 AM

Well, here's how I understand it.

Members may speak on any topic they choose.  BUT, once a cool-it is in effect, members have to moderate their approach - find ways to talk about things that won't keep the heat up in the thread.  Members who can't seem to tone down and continue conversation without violating the cool-it, will be sent out of the thread - probably temporarily for a day or so. giving them time to cool down and come back to the thread ready to engage in a calmer, cooler manner. And members who still can't post coolly, will get a warning.

At least - that's how it SEEMS to me.  I'm not entirely thrilled with the thread booting myself, but I can see it working in that way.  

What is definitely NOT happening, is no one is telling anyone they can't express their opinions.  What's being said is that members need to bring the level of discourse in line with  the civil way we post just about everywhere else on the board.

The staff can correct me if I'm reading this wrong!

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#17 Tricia

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 11:46 AM

^^^^That's pretty much the way I read it, QT

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View PostCardie, on 27 February 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

We also hope that thread-bootings may actually save people from themselves by reducing the numbers of warnings they pick up for ignoring cool-its.

Exactly.  It will put a step in-between a cool it and a warning for violating a cool it.

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#18 Orpheus

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:13 PM

The day we start telling member their views aren't welcome on EI (except as outlined in the GLs, Federally Protected classes, etc.), I'd have to reconsider my participation here, too!

That is not our intent. As I've said: disagreement is often necessary for an interesting discussion.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:50 PM

The way QT put it is how it's going to be.

The way I see it, as Orph said, we can disagree on a topic and even disagree vehemently. What we can't do is violate board guidelines with that disagreement. There are ways to disagree with someone without getting personal or 'in your face' about it, I do it all the time with a friend of mine on a topic that we're polar opposites on.

At one time OT was much more conducive to discussion, now it's nothing more than people disrespecting anyone with opinions who don't agree with theirs.

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#20 Orpheus

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 02:13 PM

"Respect" is indeed a key principle.




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